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Hair cut

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by esquire., Sep 14, 2004.

  1. esquire.

    esquire. Senior member

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    I was getting a trim at the local old school barbershop, with a twirling barber pole outside. The barbers there were deriding places like Fantastic Sam. They claimed that those people didn't know how to cut hair, because they were 'cosemotolgists.'

    What is the diff between the costemologists and barbers, and which one would be better? Is it even worthwhile to go to a salon if I have really thick, coarse hair? Think of a brillo brush. Can a better hair person make that big of a difference with hair like this?
     
  2. Brian SD

    Brian SD Senior member

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    A cosmotologist is one who studies the art of beauty, if I remember correctly. You'll have good and bad experiences with both ends. I am not sure that I consider Fantastic Sam's to be really higher end as far as that goes.. but then again there are a ton of famous independent salons here in San Diego, so Sam's may be the best you can get in smaller / less Californian cities. I've never had my hair cut at a barber's place with a spinning pole. I wouldn't have anything really against it, but naturally I would be afraid of coming out with a comb-over or something equally lame and simple. Just because you go to a trendy stylist doesn't mean you have to have your hair styled into the shape of a helicopter. [​IMG]
     
  3. kidkim2

    kidkim2 Senior member

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    esquire.--

    Cosmetologists, at least here in California, are licensed to provide services that used to be the province of "beauticians" and "barbers."  As I understand it, any cosmetologist should be able to cut male as well as female hair.  But find one with extensive current experience, as evinced by a number of male clients.

    The most important point is this: Your difficult hair is not a reason to avoid a highly-skilled hairdresser.  Au contraire.  It is the best possible reason to seek one out.  

    Regards,

    Mike
     
  4. LabelKing

    LabelKing Senior member

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    I think cosmetologists are general practice people. They cut hair, do facials, chemical peels, waxing, etc.

    I don't know what Fantastic Sam's is but Frederic Fekkai, and Bumble & Bumble are very fine salons.
     
  5. Steve B.

    Steve B. Senior member

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    I'm thinking of trying a local barber shop here for the first time in a long time. Looks like a conservative, flag-waving place. Hope I don't come out with side walls and a brain implant that makes me salute Dubya.
     
  6. faustian bargain

    faustian bargain Senior member

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    just don't let 'em cover your eyes with the steam towel when they lay you back for the razor...
     
  7. dacs7

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    One of the best reasons to go to a more expensive place, at least for a few cuts, is that you might get a smart stylist who can lead you in the best direction for your hair type.  At least then, when you go other places, you have a better idea of what "instructions" to give, and what products work best for you.  For instance, for thick 'brillo' hair, if they thin it out, that might help.  I have sort of thick hair with a natural waviness, but with a good haircut and a quick shot of the hairdryer in the morning, you'd never guess.

    I used to go to barber type places in college-- and honestly they gave some of the worst cuts.  It's always a bad sign when they use clippers in place of scissors.

    Oh, and fantastic sams is basically a barber shop too- not much better at all. The previous post mentioned fekkai, and they tend to be very good (and expensive)-- but their hair products are excellent.
     
  8. montecristo#4

    montecristo#4 Senior member

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    I recently tried a few different options:

    - Go to high end salon, or what qualifies for one here in DC. Haircut and tip, $90.
    - To to mid-range salon, $30.
    - Cut my own hair.

    The differences in the results between the three weren't particulalry significant, IMHO. So now, I cut my own hair. It comes out more or less the way I want it. I use a Wahl clipper set and then go over the entire thing with a thinning shears to give it some texture and interest. Takes me about 20 minutes--much less time than going to a stylist.

    Montecristo
     
  9. faustian bargain

    faustian bargain Senior member

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    that takes an amount of bravery that i just do not possess. [​IMG] /andrew
     
  10. montecristo#4

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    It's one thing if the cut you are going for requires every hair to be in the right place. But since most modern styles are going for a somewhat more disheveled appearance, why not cut it yourself?

    The idea popped into my head when I asked a very expensive stylist to try to see if he could cut so as to minimize a cowlick I have on the side of my head. He said, "I want to leave it alone because it gives you are more natural look." Well, if that's the case, then I don't need the guy.

    Montecristo
     
  11. southerncollegeboy

    southerncollegeboy Active Member

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    I cut my hair myself too.
    The key in getting over your initial fear is to just start out conservatively, not taking big chunks off. Then cut a little more until satisfied, and know when to stop.
     
  12. j

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    I cut mine as well. After years of practice it now always looks better than it ever did going to various barbers, stylists, etc. Luckily my hair is perfect for it. If I was trying to go for a Republican look I don't think I could do it myself. [​IMG]
     
  13. VMan

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    I started cutting my own hair a few months back, with the help of a thread I started back then, on this forum.
     
  14. bryce330

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    I generally cut my own hair in the front and on top and go to a barber for the back and sides.

    For those of you who cut the whole thing yourself, how do you do the back?
     
  15. montecristo#4

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    Well, since I'm using clippers to start things off, general length isn't a problem. The, as I mentioned before, I thin it out with thinning shears for some texture. That doesn't need to be done very carefully. The last step is to clean up the back so it's relatively even. I use a mirror for that. I've only really screwed it up once. [​IMG] My girfriend was able to fix it.
     
  16. smokinggun

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    I think that the state licensing exam is different for barbers than for cosmetologists, but I'm not exactly sure on the specifics. Most of the exam involves sanitation/hygiene anyway...nothing of any real-world practicality (or so I've been told)

    The key difference between high-end salon stylists and corner barbershop buzzers is their proficiency at scissor-over-comb/clipper-over-comb technique. Skilled stylists can shave & carve your head so that it's clean and devoid of jagged steps and light/dark shadows, especially when viewed from the profile or back. Plus if it's cut right, it'll still look decent in 3 or 4 weeks, avoiding that hedgehog look.

    Also stylists can give you different options if you want to grow your hair out, or just keep more length on top or back while keeping the sides shorter. They can easily blend-in shorter and longer areas so it doesn't look drastic like a military buzz-cut.

    If you live in a major metropolitan area, call around to different salons and see if any of their staff are Sassoon-trained. A large number of the top-tier hair dressers have had their formal education at Vidal Sassoon schools, so they're fairly proficient at doing variations on a Men's Basic haircut and have mastered scissor-over-comb technique.
     
  17. j

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    Pull out, snip, repeat. I could probably do it without a mirror by now. My pulling-out fingers still get tired though.
     
  18. johnw86

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    I began cutting my own hair after a particularly disastrous run-in with a barber who had just lost his lease (and was ANGRY about it). Two mirrors helps with the back.
     

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