I spotted some h&m ripoff fits this weekend and couldn't resist. ONe pair looks like nudie w/o the quality denim and the other looks like a one wash apc new standard. the measurements add up. sliq raw (nudie slim jim?) waist:36 waist measured: 35.5 front rise: 9.5 rear rise: 13 knee: 8.75 hem:8 regular straight (new standard?) waist:34 waist measured:37 (!!-how bout a little qc?) front rise: 11 rear rise:14 knee:9 hem:8.5 oh yeah, 40 for the slim jim's and 30 for the ns's-that's why I didn't mind buying big ones. and, of course, a caveat: these are not anywhere near the quality of their role models; but their affordability has got me confused. should I be now, officially stoked about raw denim and go out and drop $300 for the real deal, or should I go buy 8 pairs of h&mer's??