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Gustin - Official Affiliate Thread

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by joshgustin, Oct 15, 2013.

  1. ispace

    ispace Senior member

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    That's disappointing, I wonder why. Some raw denim chinos look amazing.
     
  2. Allen22

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    Don't say, not clever desicion especially consider that they already make some https://www.weargustin.com/store/3309 "Technically, this is a colored denim"
     
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    Agreed, I look at "twill" as similar to denim. And some of their chinos definitely look similar to denim from an appearance perspective (blue canvas chinos for example). Strange they won't experiment more with denim chinos.
     
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    Thank you! Great info. I went for 30 slim from the stock store.
     
  5. crossfi73

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    Alas, my L1 is finally in my hands - unfortunately, I am a bit concerned with its condition. The first red flag was the condition of the box upon my receipt. It looked severely damaged and had almost completely come open (took me about 10 seconds to get into it). Hard to assign causality to any one thing, but the end result is this:

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    The close-ups are on the left sleeve, where the leather appears to have taken some punishment. Looking for opinions from the group on the ramifications of this. Obviously the whole jacket will break in eventually, but this is a pretty significant thing that will look very off at least for the near future. I really wanted to like this jacket, and unlike some others, actually prefer the styling, color etc. over competitors.

    Thoughts?
     
  6. dcg

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    Sorry for the quality, but I know people are eager for pics. Comments to come when I get a bit of time...
    I'm 6'/~170 lbs. Long torso and arms for my size. This is a medium

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  7. JR Magat

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    @crossfi73 that's very unfortunate about the packaging and even more disappointing to receive the jacket in that condition. I would send it back to Gustin for a refund and then decide if you'd like to try again for another one or not. If you can live with it, i'm sure Gustin CS will offer you some type of resolution. Overall it's a great looking jacket, but that sleeve just looks bad.

    Also, is the condition due to package/damage or the quality of the leather?
     
  8. crossfi73

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    Yes I've sent an email to CS to get their thoughts. I've always had great experiences with Gustin CS so I'm sure no matter what things will work out - though my preference would still have been to get a perfect jacket, haha.

    As for the cause, I can't say for sure. My first thought was that it was from the packaging/damage since the region is much more supple than the rest of the jacket and just looks generally "beaten up". However, notice how the seam serves as a hard line between the normal and damaged leather. This could indicate a bad piece of leather, or it could just mean the sleeve was folded on the seam, and the exposed side took the abuse.

    Who knows...
     
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  9. BlueWord

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    Glad I'm not the one
    Glad I'm not the only one. Although mine doesn't look quite that extensive, I have a similar problem in the same spot – the inner left sleeve. [​IMG] It didn't look that way out of the box, though, but developed within 20-30 minutes of wear. I believe it's loose grain creasing; common in Chromexcel, when the treatment doesn't penetrate and permeate all the way through the leather, creating differences in grain within the leather. That's my understanding, anyway. This forum is full of experts, so maybe they can shed some further light. I also sent an email, although I'm not sure what can be done. It may just be a natural consequence of working with CXL, unfortunately. Which isn't to say I'm not at least a little disappointed. Based on some of the other pictures posted in here, it looks like some other jackets haven't developed the sort of wrinkling/creasing that mine has across the left side of the jacket. It's made the leather lose it's luster on one half, which was actually a major reason for my interest in a chromexcel jacket. The following picture makes it fairly obvious. [​IMG]
     
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    @crossfi73, sorry to see that. My box was in rough shape as well...I wondered if it's opened up during transit and USPS had re-taped it.

    I can't see that causing your leather issue, though. Just looks like a bad piece of leather to me. I'm sure Gustin CS will get you sorted out, but frustrating to have that happen after the long wait.

    Leather is going to have variations, and everyone's got their own opinions and preferences as to what's acceptable - but that's the sort of thing that shouldn't be getting past QC, IMO.
     
  11. crossfi73

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    I'm probably the least informed guy on this forum when it comes to these things, but now that you mention it, this seems like a similar issue to a pair of shell loafers I received a few months back. Not sure if its a related concept or not - I was told before that because my feet are big (Size 12 UK) that finding pieces of shell that large with no imperfections was tricky.

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  12. Allen22

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    What is your chest wide?
     
  13. dcg

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    Not sure that the shell on your loafers is so much an imperfection as it is that the right side is a bit of a darker shade than the left (though the left does seem a bit smoother, maybe? I'm not on a great monitor at the moment). I've had similar happen on a pair of cigar shell shoes - the left was a different shade than the right. I'm neurotic about this sort of thing and had them swapped out; believe me, I wish I didn't notice/care about this sort of thing so much. That said, your loafers don't look too bad, and I'd guess that from further away the difference isn't too noticeable (and will hopefully diminish over time). In fairness to manufacturers, we (those of us who care about this sort of thing) are asking for leather that's undergone fewer treatments*, and then complaining when there are variations. Well, of course there are, and none of us in the thread want a corrected grain leather jacket. That said, seems sometimes that hides pass QC which should not, or are matched with others during manufacturing that have a significantly different appearance - whether due to shade, tightness of grain, or some other factor. Some consumers embrace this, some tolerate it, and some view it as unacceptable. Up to the individual, but I'll just saw that I took a good hard look at every picture on the sample on the Gustin site before ordering, and didn't see anything like what you (and to a lesser extent @BlueWord are seeing. *I think CXL actually takes about a month for the tanning process, but I'm not sure how this compares to most other leathers (other than shell cordovan, which takes about 6 months IIRC). edit - I do have a small area on my jacket that'll end up looking similar to the loose gran creasing that BlueWord's seeing, but it's below one of the lower pockets heading back toward the side seam - about the least offensive place possible for any sort of imperfection.
     
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    40" or just under
     
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    Isnt CXL known for its variations due to its pull up nature? (not that it excuses the creaes that you got at all)
     
  16. crossfi73

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    Hard to tell from the picture but yes, the texture differed measurably as well. I ended up keeping them, and a few months of wear + some cream and the issue is much less visible now and virtually impossible to see from the typical vantage point.

    Unfortunately a jacket does not have the same ability to hide imperfections as shoes. Also to be considered I purchased those loafers at about 40% of retail price, so I was feeling a bit less picky.

    Appreciate your thoughts on the matter. Will provide updates on my experience.

    For those wondering about fit, I am ~6'2" 190 lbs with athletic build (42-43" chest, 31-32" waist). I ordered a large, and would agree with the other comments that it is cut with a decent taper (much moreso than Gustin shirts FWIW). The fit is pretty good overall on my frame. I'd say I definitely prefer it to their trucker jacket fit, but I've accepted that issue on account of the beauty of the oxblood color.
     
  17. pima1234

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    My L1 box was also not in the condition I would expect (better packaging all-around on the L1 is needed). But, the jacket seems fine.

    Incredibly, the fit is about as good I could hope for, given my weird build.

    Ordered a L, knowing that the sleeves would be too long. They are, but only by about 3/4". That's not too bad.

    I'm 5'8"-5'9", husky build, 43.5 chest, broad shoulders, long torso (no legs! lol), and the L is just fine. The leather will soften and conform. I'm curious to see how it fits by the end of winter, and really tempted to buy a black L1.

    Horween will always have some of those creasing issues, as noted above. (A pair of AE Clark Streets is bothering more and more each time I wear them.) But, I'm not expecting this to be a dress jacket. As long as the creasing is within reason and no cracking of course, I'll be okay with it.
     
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    By the way, the Horween Dublin and Black belts that arrived today are awesome. Looking forward to wearing them, and excited to see the brown.

    I would say that the quality is right there with my Oak Street belts (which, by the way, did NOT need to be sized up as they recommend!).
     
  19. crossfi73

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    Got my Dublin brown belt today as well. [​IMG]
     
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  20. mountainman3520

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    I've finally gotten around to taking photos of my L1 CXL #8. The color is extremely beautiful and varies significantly depending on the light. These photos don't really capture the color as the room didn't have enough natural light and the artificial light doesn't make the red undertones come out nearly as much.

    I'm 6' tall, 175 lbs, 42-43" chest, and wear 16-34 dress shirts. This is a Gustin size large and its perfectly snug when zipped. Nicely fitted. Sleeve length and chest feel perfect. No way could I zip a medium.

    I've not found any quality issues. There are a few minor marks or imperfections in the leather but I expect that. No major creasing upon arrival and I've not been able to wear it for longer than 10 minutes so far because its very warm here in CA. So I don't yet know how it will look after some break in.

    Overall I think people should expect a CXL leather jacket to quickly form lots of creases with lots of color variation. That's the nature of CXL and kinda the point. If you want traditional consistent leather like most jackets without color variant creases then order a different leather than CXL. I bet the Gustin standard black and brown break in more like typical leather jackets and don't show any of these markings. I don't think people should be unhappy with CXL behaving like CXL, nor should we consider it a quality control issue and return coats that have some color variation or creasing upon arrival. These CXL jackets will all develop that quickly with wear so it will just blend in. If the jacket seems to be used then I would have a problem with that, but these are all new at this point. Just variation with the leather and some wear from handling, packing, and shipping I think.

    Enjoy the dramatic character of the CXL including the patterns and patina formed.

    I bought some Saphir "Creme Cuir Gras - Cream for Oiled Leather" that is supposedly great for CXL. Maybe get some of that and rub it into any area that seems dry. Mine doesn't have any dry areas and all leather surfaces feel almost greasy but not. Anyone have an opinion on if this is a good cream to restore and sustain these Gustin Horween CXL jackets? Or is there something better that has been recommended by Gustin? If not, we should ask.




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