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Guns? (do you carry?) revived

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by drizzt3117, Aug 4, 2006.

  1. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Senior member

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  2. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Senior member

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    My point is that you're making the second amendment argument, which is that if guns weren't legal, only criminals would have them.
    But don't you have to know the answer to additional questions, like what is the incidence of gun violence in Finland? "If guns weren't legal, only criminals would have them" is a nice slogan, but it's hardly the end of the discussion. I mean really, so what? How unsafe is Finland? (I have no idea really.) Is it really an inescapable conclusion that it would be safer if they had the equivalent of the Second Amendment, and non-criminals (some of whom may or may not later become criminals) can buy guns with relative impunity?
    Ok, so in our hypothetical society only criminals have guns. In fact, only a very small percentage of criminals have guns, and they mostly use them on each other or the police. As a result, the incidence of shooting deaths among non-criminal civilians is miniscule. Plus, we don't have kids getting killed by bullets shot in the air by jackasses on Independence Day and New Years Day, kids killed accidentally by dad's gun, fatal shootings in domestic disputes, etc.
    It's kind of a moot point, though, because guns are now so prevalent in America that it's not like you have the option of setting the clock and becoming a gun-less society.
     


  3. dah328

    dah328 Senior member

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    It's kind of a moot point, though, because guns are now so prevalent in America that it's not like you have the option of setting the clock and becoming a gun-less society.
    Good. I wish somebody would tell the Brady Center that.
     


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    But don't you have to know the answer to additional questions, like what is the incidence of gun violence in Finland? "If guns weren't legal, only criminals would have them" is a nice slogan, but it's hardly the end of the discussion. I mean really, so what? How unsafe is Finland? (I have no idea really.) Is it really an inescapable conclusion that it would be safer if they had the equivalent of the Second Amendment, and non-criminals (some of whom may or may not later become criminals) can buy guns with relative impunity?

    Finland is very safe. But on the other hand we don't have so drastic income/social/racial differences than is US (=we have very few very poor and very few rich people). I think that has an effect too.
     


  5. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Senior member

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    Good. I wish somebody would tell the Brady Center that.
    Feel free to quote me. [​IMG]
     


  6. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim In Time Out

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    Plus, T-Slim's social circle is full of mass murderers, so he has that much more reason to feel at risk - plus the weapon helps him fit in. [​IMG]
    Personally, I'm not packin' - I'm just glad to see you guys!


    Actually, my first post (and many other posts that I've made over the years) point out the fact that I'm not allowed to own a firearm anymore. I have nothing against guns, I just have issues with people who don't spend the time and energy to learn how to use them properly and safely. I'd be inclined to say that 50% of the people i've ever met with guns probably don't shoot them often enough.

    I was just answering the question as to why so many people feel the need to carry guns (and lesser weapons) on their person whilst out in the world.
     


  7. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Senior member

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    Actually, my first post (and many other posts that I've made over the years) point out the fact that I'm not allowed to own a firearm anymore. I have nothing against guns, I just have issues with people who don't spend the time and energy to learn how to use them properly and safely. I'd be inclined to say that 50% of the people i've ever met with guns probably don't shoot them often enough.

    I was just answering the question as to why so many people feel the need to carry guns (and lesser weapons) on their person whilst out in the world.

    Yeah, I know. I was just pimping you, obviously. While I don't own guns and am not really a big fan of private gun ownership - but obviously it's a matter of personal choice for everyone to make, the 2nd Amendment saying what it says - I agree with you that if somebody is going to own a gun, they should know how to use and care for it and keep themselves in practice.
     


  8. Huntsman

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    I'm considering getting an NYC handgun permit (not concealed -- we all know those are only for the privileged class) because I'm tired of having to drive out to PA any time I want to shoot. Have any of you done this? I've read that the police department will purposely try to trip you up during the application process as a justification for denying as many applications as possible.


    dah, give this a read: http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news...320/index.html

    Regards,
    Huntsman
     


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    Concealed carry is generally quite restricted, and in spite of stereotypes, private citizens carrying daily is really pretty rare. I mean, hell, I've never known anyone who has and I've never even so much as touched a gun in my life.

    Depends where in the States you are. It is quite common where I am -- that being defined as my being able to spot 'the signs' every couple of days or so (and not just in those places where one would have an expectation of such).

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    I have sometimes done this -- Colt Series 80, .45, Bright Stainless [​IMG] Though this is really too rare to get holster wear on, I'm very competent with it and have carried it on occasion. Props to anyone who knows what it is and the caliber. [​IMG] Both are steel framed, full size semiautos. I think that actual weight is a reminder of an entirely different kind of weight. Regards, Huntsman
     


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    Ah, that'd do it. No one gets them in CA without connections, and most of those people are politicians and celebrities. Same in New York.

    No offence, drizz -- nice work if you can get it, to steal a phrase -- but this kind of elitism with respect to CCW permits and such seems the worst of all possible worlds. Not your fault, of course, just sayin'.

    Sincere regards,
    Huntsman
     


  12. drizzt3117

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    I have sometimes done this -- Colt Series 80, .45, Bright Stainless

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    Though this is really too rare to get holster wear on, I'm very competent with it and have carried it on occasion. Props to anyone who knows what it is and the caliber.

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    Both are steel framed, full size semiautos. I think that actual weight is a reminder of an entirely different kind of weight.

    Regards,
    Huntsman


    That's a pretty sweet looking gun, no idea on the ident though.

    I personally really like guns in stainless. I'd like a DE if I could justify the cost/weight hehe.
     


  13. Tokyo Slim

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    Props to anyone who knows what it is and the caliber.

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    Looks like a 9mm S&W 952.
     


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    Yes, we all know the only reason to carry a handgun is to shoot the miserable son of a bitch who named you Sue.

    Well done.
     


  15. odoreater

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    What exactly is this supposed to mean?
    You think my statement was incorrect?
    Tell me then, why people carry guns and apply for concealed weapons permits...


    'Cause they're badass mothafuckas.

    EDIT: Just for clarification - a little background. I work in one of the most dangerous cities in the world and have never had anybody stick a gun in my face and I don't believe that this has happened to most of the people that carry guns. Some people carry guns for legitimate reasons (e.g., they have to empty an ATM machine or carry large amounts of cash or other valuables), most of the rest are just badass mothafuckas.
     


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