Guns? (do you carry?) revived

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  1. drizzt3117

    drizzt3117 Senior member

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    I don't even disagree with you, but you don't need to politicize this thread or what BL was saying. Especially when this subject's gotten ridiculously nasty in the past.

    Or at least, if you must, be a little gentler about it.


    Agreed, but I thought it was an interesting if unintentional point.
     


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    Interesting! This was news to me. How does it work? I mean, who gets to carry a gun around other people, in the street? And in the car? Is that kind of like being allowed to have guns at home (wich I believe you are?), and a car is a private space of some sort? Again, I'm from Sweden and not used to (I don't think I ever have in my entire life) seeing guns. :) I'm honestly fascinated, and it'd be interesting to know more.

    Thanks!
     


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    Interesting. In Finland only serious criminals carry guns.

    i heard the exact opposite about finland, not criticizing but wikipedia states:

    taken from - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Finland

    i know i'm paraphrasing, but i'd heard from a different source recently that finland had more guns and more gun related homicides than any other country in western europe, mainly due to army reservists getting pissed and shooting people.
     


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    I don't carry a gun, but I also don't have anything against those who choose to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights. I choose not to carry one because it becomes a liability. For whatever unforeseen reasons, I might shoot a SOB, who, even though is a SOB, does not deserve to die. Because of said SOB, I will fuck up my life (the legal threshold for using lethal force is so high these days that you'll likely spend time in jail, even for self defense, and not to mention civil liability) and negatively affect those around me, including my family. There are too many SOBs roaming the streets who think they're too bad for their own good. The odds are not in your favor as a gun carrier.

    I've always had a fascination with target shooting with a sniper rifle. I might pick up that hobby later when I can afford to.
     


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    shit i forgot, the piece i saw suggested that finland had a high murder rate because of its liberal penal policy, not it high gun ownership. i mixed up two different stories. apologies.
     


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    i heard the exact opposite about finland, not criticizing but wikipedia states: taken from - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Finland i know i'm paraphrasing, but i'd heard from a different source recently that finland had more guns and more gun related homicides than any other country in western europe, mainly due to army reservists getting pissed and shooting people.
    Between years 1994-2003 we have had approx. 143 murders / year. Don't know if that's 14% is correct but, if it is you get 0,14 *143 = 20 gun related homicides / year. Don't think that's much. Yes. Finnish people own probably lots of guns, because finnish people hunt a lot. Very few have, in in my knowledge, handguns, and even fewer carry them with them.
     


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    Between years 1994-2003 we have had approx. 143 murders / year. Don't know if that's 14% is correct but, if it is you get 0,14 *143 = 20 gun related homicides / year. Don't think that's much. Yes. Finnish people own probably lots of guns, because finnish people hunt a lot. Very few carry own in my knowledge handguns, and even fewer carry them with them.

    yeah, as i said i mixed up a couple of stories regarding finland, sorry about that. i can't find any reliable stats reg. the ratio of gun ownership rates per capita compared to the number of gun related murders per capita, but i think it would be interesting to compare these stats between western countries.

    anyway, i love finland:
    [​IMG]
     


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    Interesting! This was news to me. How does it work? I mean, who gets to carry a gun around other people, in the street? And in the car? Is that kind of like being allowed to have guns at home (wich I believe you are?), and a car is a private space of some sort? Again, I'm from Sweden and not used to (I don't think I ever have in my entire life) seeing guns. :) I'm honestly fascinated, and it'd be interesting to know more.
    This may be incorrect, but I believe it is primarily a European thing to view the car as a legal extension of the home. I know they do in Italy, and I believe at least a few other European countries do as well. That legal tradition does not carry over the US, at least as far as firearms are concerned. There are usually laws specific to transportation that cover guns in cars, and they tend to be extremely strict. Each state in the US has its own internal regulations regarding the purchasing of firearms, and these exist in addition to federal regulations (it gets very byzantine like this). For example, in Connecticut, I could buy any rifle or long arm once I turned 18, but if I wanted to buy a pistol, I would have to wait until I turned 21 (few months ago), take a course, apply for a permit to three separate places, pay $100, get fingerprinted, and hope to get approved. Concealed carry is generally quite restricted, and in spite of stereotypes, private citizens carrying daily is really pretty rare. I mean, hell, I've never known anyone who has and I've never even so much as touched a gun in my life.
     


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    This may be incorrect, but I believe it is primarily a European thing to view the car as a legal extension of the home. I know they do in Italy, and I believe at least a few other European countries do as well. That legal tradition does not carry over the US, at least as far as firearms are concerned. There are usually laws specific to transportation that cover guns in cars, and they tend to be extremely strict.

    Oh, I see. I wouldn't know about that, I just assumed/asked out of prejudice that/if it was like this in the states. It's not like that in Sweden anyway.

    Concealed carry is generally quite restricted, and in spite of stereotypes, private citizens carrying daily is really pretty rare. I mean, hell, I've never known anyone who has and I've never even so much as touched a gun in my life.

    Ah, thanks for clearing that up for me. Reading the posts in the beginning of this thread, it sounded to me like it was something pretty much everyone carried almost like an accessory or a cellphone. [​IMG]

    Thanks!
     


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    I'm considering getting an NYC handgun permit (not concealed -- we all know those are only for the privileged class) because I'm tired of having to drive out to PA any time I want to shoot. Have any of you done this? I've read that the police department will purposely try to trip you up during the application process as a justification for denying as many applications as possible.
     


  12. Tokyo Slim

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    Oh please.

    What exactly is this supposed to mean?
    You think my statement was incorrect?
    Tell me then, why people carry guns and apply for concealed weapons permits...
     


  13. j

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    Concealed carry is generally quite restricted, and in spite of stereotypes, private citizens carrying daily is really pretty rare.

    Less rare than you think. A smart person wouldn't let you know he was carrying, not least because many people would freak out if they knew.
     


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    That's a pretty nice gun for concealed carry. I used to own a small Taurus, but I don't really bother anymore, the HK CT45 isn't that big for a 45, easy to put it in a back waistband or shoulder holster. How do you usually carry the MK40?

    Either an inside the waistband holster (1st choice) or an ankle holster if I am wearing clothing where the inside the waistband carry isn't an option. It's so small, that I forget I'm wearing it.

    Kahr makes even smaller and lighter guns in 9mm and .40, but I like the bigger .40 caliber, so I don't really want to go too small and light, as a little more heft helps control the recoil. My MK40 is a very easy gun to shoot and I think that a lighter weight gun might compromise that somewhat.
     


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    Funny, I think that this is the same question that derailed the LAST thread...

    [​IMG]

    Generally speaking its because sometime it might be neccesary to carry a gun to protect your life or the lives of the people you are with.
    In countries where the general populace has no access to firearms, it becomes much less of an issue, because you are pretty sure that you aren't going to be shot when you go out for groceries. It doesn't even cross your mind. Here in the US, there are people who will stick a gun in your face for your watch in the middle of the day while you are walking through a park. Not that having a gun, knife, asp, or pepper spray in your waistband in this situation will neccesarily help you, but it makes you FEEL safer. Knowing that if you had to defend yourself, you aren't drastically unprepared to do so. Plus who knows when some crazy bastard is going to walk into your home,place of business,or your church and start blasting people because he hates Israel. In this situation, do you run and most likely get shot in the back, or shoot the guy?

    The only drawback to this system is that many people who carry concealed weapons have no idea how to properly and safely use them.

    My advice is to go to the range at least a few times a month to familiarize yourself with your weapon, and to gain enough skill with it that if you ever DO need to use it, you will be able to do so without shooting yourself or innocent bystanders. Practice (with an unloaded weapon of course) drawing from your concealed holster, until you can do it without fumbling around like an idiot. This is really the only way to learn that the best places to conceal a weapon aren't neccesarily the most practical places to conceal a weapon. And for gods sake take a weapons retention course. Nothing is more embarrasing than thinking you are Dirty Harry, pulling out your gun, and then having it snatched out of your hand by someone who has seen it done in some Steven Segal movie.

    Other people might have different reasons, but IMO this is the best reason.

    Plus, T-Slim's social circle is full of mass murderers, so he has that much more reason to feel at risk - plus the weapon helps him fit in. [​IMG]
    Personally, I'm not packin' - I'm just glad to see you guys!
     


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