Gun Appreciation Thread

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by tiecollector, Aug 10, 2007.

  1. Mauro

    Mauro Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    I love the shotgun. It makes me so happy.

    Mia and I are taking a private class with Ben Stoeger this week to help our pistol game. Should be interesting.
     


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    Ben Stoeger has such a great attitude and personality. I've read his books and watched his DVD's. Those private classes are going to be amazing. Please post about it.

    I took performance pistol with Frank Proctor and it was OK. The covert carry class with Mike Pannone was great and really improved my CCW. I must have performed 500 concealment draws that weekend. I've done some local defensive courses but Pannones class was by far the one that helped me the most since I CCW daily. My grail class is Shivworks Extreme Close Quarter Concepts.
     


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    Speaking of shotguns, I redid the shitty factory finish on my Mossberg 500 with duracoat. I replaced the stock forend with a Hogue, added a Mesa Tactical stock adapter that allows the installation of a mil-spec buffer tube, and installed a BCM pistol grip. I'm going to add a Magpul CTR stock, Mesa Tactical side saddle, and upgrade the safety to an aluminum version that's easier to grip with your thumb.

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  4. Mauro

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    Ben's private class for me and my daughter didn't disappoint. I would have happily paid double of what I paid. The time with him was just on another level.
    Ben explains everything in away that you can understand. He takes his time to break everything and I mean everything down piece by piece.
    If you are interested follow my daughter on instagram her tag is 22_gun_girl. There is a two part video I filmed of her and ben. It's very cool to watch.

    Anyway here's how the 7 hours of training went. We started a 9am and shot until 4pm. We did break for lunch. We ended up shooting 2k rounds, total.

    We talked a little and Ben set up a field of fire. He asked us to shoot that particular course 3 times. After we finished he told us what we needed to work on and went straight into dry fire. While we were dry firing he pushed us to go faster and faster until flaws in our technique started to show. He then broke down why the flaws were happening and how to fix them.
    We kept going.
    After the dry firing, I thought my hands were going to fall off. We then went into the "Bill Drill" starting at 5 yards and then if we "passed" we would take two big steps back. Both Mia and I got a little past 25 yards before we couldn't regularly hit ALL "A's". Unlike the traditional "Bill Drill" we weren't timed but we couldn't go slow. We were shooting in the 2.5 to 3.5 second mark from the holster.
    Ben knew Mia and I only had one year of competitive shooting under our belts so he didn't show full disgust at any time. Though on a couple occasions he did tell me I was shooting like a "pussy" and needed to pick up the pace.

    After the 'Bill Drill" we did a similar drill but we had to "double tap" putting 8 rounds in the "A" zone. Mia fell apart at 20 yards and Ben was kinda upset and let Mia know it. I was glad Ben was tough on Mia. I fell apart at 25 yards.

    At certain times in that "double tap" drill Ben would have us hold our guns and he would pull the trigger. This was to show pace and the fact that if we gripped the pistol correctly the round would go where we aimed it.

    After that drill we moved to transitions. This was a critical part of the class for me. The two things he stressed most was crushing the grip with our support had and moving our eyes first. Mia has this down much better than myself. It's odd I have problems with this considering our "steel challenge" background. Look,move,look, move,look, move, he drilled us. You can hear him in the video on instagram. Another things he stressed was having your gun up at the right time to maximize or really minimize your time.
    We ran these transitions drills until I literally was going to puke.

    Finally, we just banged out some rounds at some "skinny sammy's" at 25 yards. It didn't seem easy out it wasn't hard.

    Mia and I were beat. He then gave us a couple books that he wrote to help our dry fire and live fire training.

    His online persona and real life personality are really different. He is brutally honest so when he said he was happy with something or we did something perfect it felt really good to hear. Normally, he was just shaking his head or giving a grunt of displeasure.

    At the very end of the class we talked about our goals and how to obtain them. I felt really really good after the class. He told me that if Mia kept it up and trained like he expects her to that she could beat Ashley Rheuark. I was so happy when he said that. It just so happens that tomorrow, Mia and I leave for Topton, PA to 3gun camp where Ashley is an instructor and will be teaching Mia. I will video the shit out of them training together. Tommy Thacker is teaching her rifle. The level of instruction is pretty stacked.

    Ben did tell Mia she should focus on USPSA but I think he is a little biased, lol.

    All in all if you need help on any level I would confidently recommend Ben. A lot of the stuff we were doing was basic but with out the proper fundamentals your game will never be what it could be. He would also say that a lot.

    I think Mia and I will progress pretty fast and when we hit a wall we will hit him up again for another class.

    Another cool thing that he offered was to call or email him if we ever had a problem or didn't understand something from his books or if our game was off. The dude is just cool. money well spent.
     


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    You need to check out http://www.stormmountain.com
     


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    For anyone needing a quality kydex holster, Raven Concealment is having a closeout sale on their Phantom holsters (half price). I have one for my G26 (and another on the way for a G20), and for an OWB holster it hugs the body very close, rides high, and is capable of concealed carry if you are wearing heavier clothing. The retention is such that you could throw the holster in a bag and not worry about the firearm slipping out of it.

    http://raven-concealment-systems1.mybigcommerce.com/clearance-items/
     


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