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Gun Appreciation Thread

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by tiecollector, Aug 10, 2007.

  1. DerekS

    DerekS Senior member

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    thats what i hear. My friend was there and after handling it, tripled his order.
     
  2. Mauro

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    I have seen maybe one or two of the dudes videos. I had no idea he instructed firearm classes of any kind. That being said One of the first rules of fire arm safety is " always assume a firearm is loaded" another is always stay behind the barrel and never point a gun at something you don't plan on shooting.

    One simple slip and a person can die. That would be a blow to responsible gun owners everywhere. A little commonsense goes along way. That's just me.


    On a brighter note the 2016 shot show delivered a lot of really cool products. Some on the target systems and ammo was pretty amazing. I went to buy some stuff online and everything was sold out, WTF
     
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  3. Mauro

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    I would also like to say after watch the video that @suited posted , I would NEVER take a class or be associated with Mr. Yeager. There are a lot of highly qualified firearm instructors and "preppers" that would be better suited for me and won't go off half cocked for something that simply will never happen.

    My wife works for the department of legislative affairs. Every time some whack job introduces a bill that involves firearms she let's me know. You wouldn't believe some of the stupid shit people want to do on both sides. In the end common sense usually wins.

    There are a stupid number of gun owners in the U.S. and they love the AR platform. As a rookie 3-gunner and former Marine I dig the AR platform. Depending on the caliber I would hunt with it.
    Normally, I use a bolt action rifle to hunt with but I could be swayed.
    An example would be the 300 black out and the .308 . 300 black out for wild pigs and .308 for pretty much anything in the U.S. ( what I hunt at least).

    That being said after I went hunting wild pigs with a spear I don't think I can ever go back to using a gun. A spear is where it's at.
     
  4. suited

    suited Senior member

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    One of his former head instructors, Reid Henrichs, left Tactical Response because of Yeager's attitude (among other things) and started his own school, Valor Ridge. And I agree that there are places to train where you don't have to deal with that - my original intent in mentioning Yeager was because of the sheer number of people that go through his classes gives him a case study on the reliability of various firearm platforms.
     
  5. JLibourel

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    Why would you prefer the low-powered .300 Blackout to a .308 for wild pigs? They can be pretty tough, and I have seen some of them soak up a lot of lead. A guide at the Tejon Ranch, where they kill a great many hogs, once told me he thought the .308 was the ideal cartridge for wild hogs. I realize that a very large percentage of the hogs harvested are 100 to 140-pound sows for which the .300 would probably suffice nicely, but if I wanted to shoot a big old 250- or 300-pound trophy tusker, I'd sure prefer the .308. I assume that dogs are pretty much a necessity for killing a hog with a spear or knife. Is this correct?
     
  6. Mauro

    Mauro Senior member

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    I don't use dogs when using a spear. Using the right spear is a must. A knife ( which I haven't done, yet) might need a few dogs in the beginning. Using primitive weapons is a different skill set and strategy. If your plan and back up plan is good, you won't need dogs. You just can't fall down. The pigs will gore you. They are mean and dangerous.

    I love hunting, but I am not a master hunter, nor am I an ammunition expert, but this my 2 cents. The .308 cartridge is great. I use it for just about everything I hunt when using a rifle.

    In Texas, where I hunt, the area is full of brush and woods. I thought it would be better to use the 300blk because the round is more of a CQB cartridge. I was told it punches through the brush better.
    I think the major focal point that your ranch might be concerned with is the bullet weight. If you are hunting short range using a 220 grain bullet with "can" it's going to be completely different than using a 165 grain bullet with a totally different velocity.
    I haven't used the 300BLK. I just like the caliber options the AR offers. I also think it's cool to hunt suppressed if it's legal.

    That being said I don't think the animal should suffer and if hunting suppressed or using a particular bullet would cause unwarranted suffering, I wouldn't use it.

    I would also like to think I am a good enough shot that might bullet placement wouldn't be that far off target.
     
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  7. pfurey

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    I hear to hear more about this hunt and tactics! Jesus man, sounds intense.
     
  8. JLibourel

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    Well, if you dig the AR platform, why not just go with an AR-10 in .308--plenty of makers offering those, and you would have a cartridge with a lot more slap-'em-down power. Any guy tough enough to contemplate hunting hogs with a spear is not likely to be concerned out the difference in recoil between the .308 and the .300 Blackout. I am not sure how or why the latter cartridge would "punch through brush better." In any event, I rather thought the whole doctrine of "brush bucking," so dear to older generations of gun writers, had pretty well been debunked. The old doctrine that big, heavy, slow-moving bullets would plow through brush that would deflect or blow up a lighter, faster bullet has been discredited in controlled testing. There is a difference between projectiles in their ability to penetrate brush, but it is more a function of sectional density and gyroscopic stability than weight or diameter. The bottom line is that nothing "bucks brush" very well.

    A good friend of mine who has done a lot of hunting in the river bottoms of East Texas tells me that his favorite rifle for deer and hogs is an iron-sighted Winchester or Marlin .30-30 lever-action carbine, which strikes me as decidedly "retro," but he says at the close ranges and in the thick cover there nothing suits him better (and he has plenty of other firearms).

    Hunting hogs with a spear without dogs might be feasible where you are. All but one of the hogs I have shot have been in the savannas of the California Coast Range, and I couldn't imagine pulling that off there, even when I was in my lusty prime.
     
  9. Mauro

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    At some point I will pick up and AR-10. It's not the recoil at all. It's just that with an AR-15 lower you can use a few different calibers by slapping on a different upper. The AR-10 is a dedicated platform and doesn't work with a regular AR-15 lower.

    I would post the video of me using a spear but it's pretty graphic and it took me 3 different attempts on the same pig. That pig was cut up pretty good and it came at me 3 times. That's were tactics come into play ( and me not using them).
    Going out with a spear and charging a feral pig isn't the smartest thing. Stealth and knowing the area helps so that you can get them from behind or above. For example, if a pig is in a wallow and you are

    above them on a berm. You have the advantage of taking them by surprise and you have the berm or over hang for protection.

    Another thing is using the correct spear. Last year I didn't use the correct spear and now the spear looks like a bow and arrow.

    Luckily, for me the pig was 75 pounds and not 150 pounds or I would be severely injured or possibly dead.

    You want to use a spear like this -

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    This spear has a nice size blade and nice size wings ( lugs) and the staff is thick. It will do the trick , correctly.


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    Not like this ( this is what I used).
    This spear did get the job done but A. didn't have the wings ( lugs). B. wasn't long enough and C. Wasn't thick enough

    Here is my pig story from last summer -

    When I approached the pig from the front ( idiot move on my part) it charged. I side stepped and swiped my spear to deflect the charge. I didn't know at the time that I literally disemboweled the pig.
    ( I had a go pro so I watched the kill later). The damn pig made a U Turn and came at me again. This time, I side stepped and thrust the spear aiming for the behind the front quarters.
    My adrenaline was pumping so hard I missed ( I had thrust early) and the spear enter the pigs check and went out through it's opposite eye.
    At this point it was super pissed. I removed the spear and the fucking pig charged me again.
    This time it looked like a zombie pig was attacking me.
    I literally jumped over the pig and turned around. It wasn't moving that fast at this point. I thrust the spear right behind it's front quarter. It was still fighting. This thrust was a kill shot no matter what.
    However, the spear at this point was bending and the pig was still trying to get me.
    Maybe a minute or two ( seemed like forever) the spear was going deeper into the pig and the fucker was getting closer to me. The spear was literally through the pig into the ground bent like a crescent.
    I used a basic judo sweep on the pigs front legs while holding the the spear the whole time ( it's sounds cooler than it was). At this point the pig was on it's side and my hands were 6 inches from the pig.
    The spear was 7 feet including a 7 inch spear head.
    Once the pig bleed out ,I carried the pig with a friend back to gut it.

    I made the BEST wild boar ragu and loin ever! I just have fajita meat left.

    My brother uses a Henry rifle. Lever action .45 Big Boy. He drops pigs like it's his job. He took down 3 last year. He lives in Utah and flies with 3 massive coolers and has big ass BBQ's.
     
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  10. JLibourel

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    ^You are a brave man, braver than I am, certainly. If I had a fight like that with a 75-pound pygmy pig, I would certainly be very chary of tackling even an average-size 160-pounder, much less a big, ugly old 250- or 300-pounder, even with a proper boar spear with a crossbar like the one you show (Cold Steel?). In reality, of course, I am much too old for such undertakings these days.

    I am assuming that your brother uses some pretty peppy .45 Colt handloads in his Henry Big Boy. Based on my own experience and observations, I don't think much of using magnum revolver cartridges on wild pigs. I have seen some pretty sorry performances, even from a .454 Casull and heard of many more.
     
  11. Mauro

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    sorry, he uses the .44 magnum razorback XT . 225gr @ 1300 fps

    Here is a link -
    http://www.winchester.com/Products/...anced/Razor-Boar-XT-handgun/Pages/S44MWB.aspx


    PS- He drops pigs and he is not a great shot, haha
     
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  12. suited

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    I understand you want to even the playing field by using more primitive gear like a spear, and I'm not judging you because I can respect that, but why not give the animal a quick, clean death? It seems this is the most appropriate way to pay homage to an animal that gave its life so you could eat. I suppose it's a philosophical disagreement.
     
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  13. mimo

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    Yeah, I think the two golden rules of hunting are a) kill it quick and b) only kill it if you'll eat it.

    Mauro seems pretty committed to the second part, and to be fair, the spear type discussion seemed to be talking about maximising the first part too, after making a messy and inhumane mistake the first time.

    Me, I don't eat pork anyway, and if I did I think I'd stay in the .308 camp. But the back-to-basics heart-pumping reality of it: yeah, I definitely get it and it's certainly an interesting diversion.

    Talking of anachronistic weapons, anyone interested in swords? Perhaps this isn't the place!
     
  14. Mauro

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    I am into swords . I wish there was a club near me that trained in the short sword, broad sword, bastard sword , etc.... It's something I always wanted to try.


    I completely agree that an animal deserves a quick clean death. I do my best to do that. A spear can do the trick, too. Like I said ,I am no master hunter tracker but I keep getting better and better.

    The thing I like about the primitive weapons is the actual hunt itself. I feel like the boar or whatever animal I am hunting has a better playing field.

    I could bait a deer , pig, turkey , etc..... that's not the same. I could stalk to a certain extent the same animals with a rifle but let's be for real. If you are hunting with a rifle you want to be 50 to 500 yards. Can't do that with a sword or spear.

    If I shoot it , I eat it.Those are the house rules. Same goes with my daughter. She hunts and if she kills it she has to clean and eat it.


    Back to guns and stuff ...
    The amount of cool target systems and targets at shot show 2016 that I saw through you tube were amazing. This link is what it's all about when you can't make time for the range!

    https://www.utmworldwide.com/
     
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    Spear or sword? Came across this by coincidence (scroll down); I think it might suit you, @Mauro .

    Does anyone here actually own a lever action rifle and hunt with it?
     
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    Anyone have any experience with SHTF gear holsters? I ordered one of their protos holsters for my glock 43, but was wondering if anyone had any firsthand experience with them. This gun is my ideal carry gun and shoots like a dream for me so I might be getting a couple holsters to see what fits the best for me.

    Also, any SF approved gun belts? All the ones I see are either cheesy looking, tacticool, or look cheap
     
  17. VaderDave

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    I have a Marlin 30-30. I have taken it deer hunting a couple of times but because of my almost total lack of hunting skill I have yet to fire it at an actual animal. But it's a great little gun.
     
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    Milt Sparks makes a damn good gun belt. love mine
     
  19. suited

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    Will the belt be covered by a shirt?

    SOE makes some of the best nylon belts. Be prepared to wait a while for your order. They fill orders for deployed military and LE before civilians. I have a 1.5" Cobra belt and am waiting on one of their EDC belts (you can customize the colors).
    http://www.originalsoegear.com/collections/belts


    Mitch Rosen has some nice leather belts. They even carry cordovan. The 'dark brown' color seems to be the most subdued and tasteful. You could probably find a few other companies making something similar.
    http://www.mitchrosen.com/products/belts/


    Galco has some decent leather belts, but none are really suitable for dress clothing. The black leather belt that is 1.25" in width comes with this hideous contrast stitching. The 1.5" version doesn't have the contrast stitching but is too wide for a dress belt, IMO.
    http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/399322/galco-sb1-belt-1-1-4-leather
     
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  20. noob15

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    I like belts from www.thebeltman.net , though the majority of my leather comes from Matt DelFatti www.delfatti.com. Unfortunately he's not currently accepting any new orders, but his stuff is worth every penny that you spend.

    While I haven't seen anything in person from John Ralston, his stuff looks pretty decent as well. Milt Sparks and Mitch Rosen as previously mentioned also make very good leather.
     

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