UGs. Really do miss that gun from time to time. We used to go to Buffalo Rock in Ottawa before it blew up and shoot up the junk yard with tracers. Lots of fun considering you could also rent about any machine gun you ever wanted to shoot too. My favorites were the American 180 and silenced H&K MP5. Ahh the good old days. Picked up a Smith Governor last week. I'm not really sure why there seems to be so much debate as to whether or not these 410 multi caliber guns are useful tools for self defense is all about but hey whatever. IMO they would certainly work for that purpose. Personally I bought one to use as a general out in the field gun. With shot shells loaded up you can hunt small game at close range and it would certainly take care of any close encounter with venomous snakes. Load it up with 45 ACPs and you'll be covered for things like a feral dog getting stupid or any encounter with ill intending two legged critters. Oh wait, this gun is supposed to be a poor choice for personal defense. Huh what? I'm confused, it's a 45 ACP. Last I heard that was a really good caliber choice for PD. Last but not least the manual says you can load this thing up with 45 Long Colt +Ps. OK so that means I can load up some of those 325 grain Buffalo Bore bear killers in it. That round is more than adequate for anything with fangs and claws around here and I wouldn't think twice about using it on deer at close range. Oh and the last time I heard the 45 LC is another excellent caliber for PD. OK enough of the snark. The cold hard truth is many people think because it's shoots a shotgun shell they have a shotgun for personal defense in this neat little package. Wrong. It's a handgun, not a riot 12 gauge. It shoots the smallest gauge shell that's readily available. Aint no choke to keep the pattern tight either.. Then there is problems with payload, velocity, energy and terminal ballistics as well. The effective range in a defensive situation using birdshot is literally arms length. Using buckshot or the PDX1 shells will get you out to the 21 foot range fairly well. After that no how no way. Forget slugs use 45 ammo instead. In closing once again I find myself saying it's not the gun that's the problem, it's the user. IMO all the bad rapping of the 410/45 revolvers stems from myth, misinformation or shear stupidity.