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Gun Appreciation Thread

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by tiecollector, Aug 10, 2007.

  1. Crane's

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    Number one is a fallacy. I see people miss targets with a shotgun all the time at close range. At close quarters a shotgun payload has not had time to clear the wad and begin to expand. It's a single projectile so there is no forgiveness in shot placement. The real advantage of a shotgun is massive amounts of energy and the compounding traumatic effect of simultaneous multiple hits or a single hole that's 3/4 inch in diameter.

    Number two is also a fallacy to a certain extent. The 5.56 and 5.7 rounds are excellent choices in regard to over penetration. Of course you have to pick the right bullet design for the job or overpentration is an issue with just about everything out there.

    Define scope, most of the optics on these types of rifles are excellent for close quarters because of the low magnification and single plane sight acquisition. They're typically faster and easier to acquire than iron sights and they have the benefit of being used for longer ranges when necessary.

    There's an old saying, it goes something like this. When you need it and don't have it you sing a different tune. Running out of ammo is never a good thing and neither is reloading and recharging a weapon on the middle of a bad situation. This is a case where more is better.

    IMO if you want a black gun get an M4 variant of the AR in 5.56 with flip up tritium iron sights and stick a good ACOG on it with a weapon light underneath and be done with it. You would be very hard pressed to do better than this and you're covered in just about any scenario you can think of.
     
  2. zissou

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    The Tommy was definitely a Class III. The range doesn't like shots more frequent than one per second, but the friend of mine is a regular, so they don't mind if he occasionally unloads a full clip on a target. If I remember correctly, the actuator knob was on the top. It was a hell of a lot of fun to shoot, but a pretty heavy gun for its size.

    The AR-50 was fun for its own reasons, but I don't think I have too much reason to make a habit of firing it. The target was only at 100yds, and it was pretty much impossible to not hit a bulls-eye. On the other hand, I felt like I could just shoot clip after clip with the Walther PPK. What a nice, compact pistol.

    My friend inherited four safes of guns from his father, who was a collector. It's amazing to see what he has. When he was telling me that the rounds for the AR-50 were $5 each, I asked him where he buys them. "Well, my Dad had a thousand rounds...", he says.
     
  3. SkinnyGoomba

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    No need to be offended Max, I meant for that thread to be more of a discussion about what everyone was doing to be prepared, rather then an advice seeking thread. Maybe I need advice and don't realize it, but that wasn't the intention.

    My interest in something like a PTR-91 would be something more in the way of a 'last ditch' had to leave you home and fend for yourself in the woods for a month sort of thing, much less so about defending myself. Plus I wouldn't mind using this as an excuse to spend a little bit more time at the range.

    Crane's i have a lot of faith in your expertise in this realm, I like the idea of the ACOG scope. 10 round magazines are not a choice i would make, but NJ is extremely strict in this regard and there is no room for my own choice in the matter.
     
  4. Crane's

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    Hey not a problem SG. If they limit you ten round mags then buy a dozen of them. I probably need to look at that thread that's being referenced here. I'm sure that what I have on my list and why is going to be far different than most folks.
     
  5. SkinnyGoomba

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    Exactly, plus a couple containers....:slayer: I look forward to hearing your thoughts in the other thread.
     
  6. Maximator

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    Maybe I wasn't clear, I never said it was easier to hit stuff with a shotgun than with a rifle. What I wanted to say was that When you hit a non vital part(shoulder, leg, etc) there is a lot more tissue damage than with a single bullet, making the subject a lot more incapacitated.

    Given the amount of calibers, bullet designs, loads and "shooter to target distance" I guess that is a valid point if you pick the right bullet and cartridge.

    In terms of scope, I was assuming that he would only use the weapon for very close combat, aka within the confines of his house/property. For that, a red dot sight would probably be sufficient. However, you're right, if he wants to shoot other stuff(as it seems like he wants to) then a proper scope is of use.

    True, better to have and not need than the other way around. Although, I still stand by my original point, your primary focus should be on "How do I NOT get in such a situation" rather than "How can I fight my way out". Also, needing more than even 5 bullets to kill a threat to your life(why else would you fire?) is in my opinion inexcusably bad.

    I think a M4 setup would be great, although I would have gone with a larger caliber(like 7.62 or 6.8, but that's just me). ACOG sights are great, but expensive. You'll probably spend almost as much on the ACOG as you will on a nice M4. Also, having M4's is an addiction. Once you have one, you just have to have that other one in the other caliber, barrel length, etc... [​IMG]


    Regardless of what you get: Practice and train the hell out of it until you are an expert with your equipment. Just make sure you practice like you would fight.
     
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  7. gnatty8

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    Handled one of the Ruger 1911 yesterday. Very nice gun, and well executed. Anyone shoot one of these yet? Impressions?
     
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    Shoots good, great gun. Think series 70 Colt. Go back and get it or you might be waiting another year or two before you see another one.
     
  9. Krish the Fish

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    I bought one of the Ruger 1911s a couple weeks ago. Very fun gun to shoot. Put a couple hundred rounds through it already, shoots great out of the box. And got it for $699 I believe.
     
  10. retronotmetro

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    I got my M&P40 back from the gunsmith with the Apex kit installed. Very pleased with the results. Much shorter takeup and reset, no grit in the trigger pull, and it is a lot less spongy feeling. I also replaced the factory three dot sights with Truglo TFOs. I've been running a TFO front on a Sig P229 for a while and thought I would try the whole set. I'll have to see how this setup works for my next training class. I may end up replacing the rear sight with a Warren Tactical--I'm starting to dislike three dot sights more as my eyes get worse with age :)
     
  11. Chase H

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    I default to a Para-Ordnance 14.45. Of course, I've never had to carry one concealed, but the grip is manageably wide in my hand.
     
  12. zissou

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  13. Huntsman

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    That's a pretty high bar. I don't know that I enjoy shooting any production .45's more than a Series 70 (admittedly it's a GCNM).
    Is that you? Your videographer is standing exactly where I do not like to stand when someone is shooting an AR-50. That cone of blast is brutal.

    ~ H
     
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  14. zissou

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    That is I. The shockwave is fairly unavoidable, unless far away. I was standing eight feet directly behind my friend while he was firing it, and could feel it hit me in the chest.
     
  15. eglbc

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    Going to first gunshow this weekend to pick out a tactical .22. probably a mossberg or springfeild.

    Any advice for a newb who has shot a variety of firearms, but has no real knowledge of purchasing, what to look for, gun show culture ect... ?

    Signing up for a saftey course as well.
     
  16. brokencycle

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    Anyone have a 1911 in 22LR and have any comments on what they've shot? I was looking at doing the Sig Sauer 1911-22. I have heard that it is just a rebadge ATI gun, but Sig's customer service/support is better if you wind up needing it. So I figured the few extra bucks makes it worth it.

    Otherwise I have seen some Chippawa ones super cheap lately.

    Also thinking about picking up a Ruger SR22 as a few places have some good black friday deals putting it sub $300.
     
  17. suited

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    My 33rd Glock mag came in the mail today from Midway. It will surely be a blast at the range.
     
  18. retronotmetro

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    I have the SR22. It's fun but my only real reason for having it is as a trainer for my son. It's kind of limited in utility--it does not work as a .22 practice analog for larger caliber Rugers (which I don't own anyhow) and it is less accurate than the target Rugers. But it is fun. I do hate the double action pull, and the safety is upside down if you are used to 1911s (fire is up, safe is down).

    I have heard good things about the GSG1911, but I would be a little worried about durability. It has a cast zamac (zinc alloy, aka pot metal) frame which is probably OK for a .22, but sounds very Saturday Night Special. If I was a 1911 guy I might consider getting a conversion kit for a "real" 1911 instead.
     
  19. eglbc

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    Went to the oregon gun show, tried to kop gun, got denied for CA ID.
    :fu:
     
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  20. JustinW

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    The CZ Kadet is a great .22 trainer and the Ruger mkII/III is a great target pistol. The Weight and feel of all the .22 1911s I've felt has been pretty off. I love my SR22 - I got it a couple months ago for $270 shipped.
     

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