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GTI or other suggestions

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by thekunk07, Apr 25, 2010.

  1. thekunk07

    thekunk07 Senior member

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    need teh german

    Kunk, you'd look pretty ridiculous in a GTI (fast and the furious much?), and I like GTI's... just don't think they're for a lot of people. How about a CPO G37s coupe?
     
  2. edmorel

    edmorel Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    need teh german

    you like it, the rock hard stollen?
     
  3. Germanicus

    Germanicus Senior member

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    Maybe the new VW Golf R, if it is offered in the US. Or dig all the shit and get a Porsche.
     
  4. Synthese

    Synthese Darth Millennial Dubiously Honored Moderator

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    The GTI, for all its teutonic attractiveness, has always seemed to me to be a bit of a raw deal. It's not exactly cheap (all told), first of all, and:

    1) It is front wheel drive. If you live somewhere that you need to worry about snow, FWD just never works as well as you think. If you don't live somewhere snowy, why would you buy front wheel drive? If you want a fun new car, get the 135i. That thing is a rocket.

    2) That little 2.0l turbo is fun, but wheezy. The car is fairly heavy, and while the interior is "nice," it's fairly boring. Not so much character in VW's interiors, even less (I find) than Audi's. While ~200 horsepower feels fun for a bit, that enjun really needs some tweaking before it even feels like it is breathing right. And once you've tweaked it, it's no fun to drive a fwd car with massive torque steer. It does have good luggage space, I will certainly give it that. And it looks reasonable - Although I find my 07 WRX so hideous that it's absolutely adorable.

    3) VW has an absolutely horrible service record. From what I've heard from friends who own, upkeep is fairly pricey to boot. Mileage seems good, but for a compact it should be.

    All in all, in my experience, it is not only fairly boring to look at, but also fairly boring to drive. It is staid, predictable, and utterly normal. Turn-in is nice, and it's got reasonable balance, but the roll-and-stick that characterizes the Audi/VW group is pretty boring. It handles better (sort of) than my subaru (by which i meant there is slightly less understeer), but I'll take the subaru 224hp boxer-4 over the little 2.0t any day, as well as the AWD (that being said, I think the new versions of the WRX are unbearably hideous). But again, I am attracted to the slightly raw, unkempt feel of japanese rally-compacts, and I like driving fast in the dirt.

    Some people have mentioned the R32 already - this is probably what the GTI should have been. It's a little ungainly, but at least it's more interesting than a GTI. Audi A3 could be worth a drive as well, but I like the shape less than the GTI. I'm also sick of Audis.

    As I said, the 135i is an absolute rocket and an absolute steal. It outperforms most things in its price range, handles like a bmw (with the caveat that I believe it lacks a limited-slip differential), and the engine is to die for. Seriously, that turbo six is incredibly sweet. Ridiculous low-end torque, lovely subdued but potent engine note - at the very least, it's worth a drive.

    As is the Subaru STI and Mitsubishi Lancer EVO (and even Mazdaspeed 3, I guess)- although you said German, and if you're considering a "grown-up" car, I doubt you'd like either of those. But if you want performance bang for your buck, Japanese is the way to go.

    I have no experience with lexus, but some of the IS cars (the 350 [or the ISF if you jump up about 20k]) might do it for you.
     
  5. Mr.Pinchy

    Mr.Pinchy Senior member

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    If you like GTI, take a look at Audi S3. It's more expensive but better than GTI in every way.
    No. A whole $10k for a douchebag badge? Thread should read "GTI". No other suggestions. I would also avoid the leather.
     
  6. RFX45

    RFX45 Senior member

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    If you like GTI, take a look at Audi S3. It's more expensive but better than GTI in every way.

    No way is it much better, pretty much just paying extra for the luxury name.

    You really can't go wrong with the GTI for the price and what is offered. If you aren't looking for a hatchback exactly, how about the Hyundai Genesis Coupe. I know, I know it's a Hyundai but the 3.8 version starting at $25k with a 300hp engine and being rwd is a beast. I test drove one in a track and it is one fun car to drive, I'd even boldly say even more so than the GTI or the SI (which is the only alternative I really see for the GTI in its class). You do sacrifice some gas mileage with the Genesis Coupe though, I say it is at least worth the test drive.
     
  7. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    a regular non-R GTI costs about 50 grand in my country. [​IMG]
     
  8. otc

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    No. A whole $10k for a douchebag badge?

    Thread should read "GTI". No other suggestions. I would also avoid the leather.


    I would also avoid the leather (though I usually dislike leather car seats...). If you can get the plaid upholstery it will be awesome.
     
  9. GusW

    GusW Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    We have owned several GTIs and now own an R32. The R32 is fast, fun and comfortable with intense sports car feel and DNA. Go drive one then buy one used.

    But the newer lower standard tires are anything but standard when it comes to cost so be prepared to shell out some serious dough when it is time to get some new rubber all around.

    That being said, you can't go wrong with a GTI except that VW or even Porsche won't be as reliable as many of the azian cars. But you can actually haul things in the GTI, it is quite an efficient auto.
     
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    I'd pick the GTI over the 135, though I'd take the 130iM over the GTI. Unfortunately, we didn't get the hatchback 1-series.

    There is always the A3... 6-speed, quattro, 2.0T with a chip. [​IMG]
     
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    Once had to get a new key cut for my Audi, one of those cheesy flip-out butterfly keys with the keyless locking on it. Cost was something ridic for the keyless, like $200-300, and a regular ol' valet-privilege key without keyless still cost over a benji I think. Same exact part as the VW Golf and the Lamborghini Gallardo, with the exception of the interchangeable plastic battery door.
     
  13. otc

    otc Senior member

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    We have owned several GTIs and now own an R32. The R32 is fast, fun and comfortable with intense sports car feel and DNA. Go drive one then buy one used.

    But the newer lower standard tires are anything but standard when it comes to cost so be prepared to shell out some serious dough when it is time to get some new rubber all around.

    That being said, you can't go wrong with a GTI except that VW or even Porsche won't be as reliable as many of the azian cars. But you can actually haul things in the GTI, it is quite an efficient auto.


    I spent some time working in a VW dealership (largest service center in the country) and in my experience, it seems that the cars really really like preventative maintenance. For the most part they are pretty reliable, just require you to keep everything polished up rather than skipping regular service until something breaks.
     
  14. grundletaint

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    I spent some time working in a VW dealership (largest service center in the country) and in my experience, it seems that the cars really really like preventative maintenance. For the most part they are pretty reliable, just require you to keep everything polished up rather than skipping regular service until something breaks.

    +1. a lot of the issues stem from people treating them like toyotas and riding out oil changes, etc. sure, they have their share of issues, but most can be avoided by paying attention to the service schedule. had an A3 since 07 with no problems other than a frayed timing belt which was caught and replaced under warranty during a sched. maintenance.
     
  15. Dmax

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    If you like GTI, take a look at Audi S3. It's more expensive but better than GTI in every way.
    No. A whole $10k for a douchebag badge? Thread should read "GTI". No other suggestions. I would also avoid the leather.
    Did a S3 driver run you off the road? That would have been something given that S3 is not sold in US or Canada and I thought you were to young to drive anyway.
     
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    If you can afford a little more get a 328i. Better acceleration times than the GTI, but more importantly it's RWD. Also doesn't have the boy racer image of the GTI.
     
  17. Dmax

    Dmax Senior member

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    finally getting myself a car and want something small and fast and reasonable. any better suggestions?
    need teh german
    There is nothing else German and brand new in that price range that fits you criteria. If you're OK with pre-owned a Porsche Boxster is worth a look provided you don't need a back seat. If you're not allergic to hood scoops you can look at Subaru WRX and Mazdaspeed 3 which are both in the same price range as the GTI ($25K-$28K). They are not teh german of course.
     
  18. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    What kunk wants and needs, but does not yet realize, nor can he reasonably have, is the Alfa Romeo Brera. Preferably with a martin margiela car cover.
     
  19. jml90

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    There is nothing else German and brand new in that price range that fits you criteria. If you're OK with pre-owned a Porsche Boxster is worth a look provided you don't need a back seat.

    If you're not allergic to hood scoops you can look at Subaru WRX and Mazdaspeed 3 which are both in the same price range as the GTI ($25K-$28K). They are not teh german of course.


    There is nothing OK about the Boxster.
     
  20. Rye GB

    Rye GB Senior member

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    Tough call, the main criteria would be how will Kunk look driving a compact without looking like an overweight child in a pedal car.

    All suggestions include tinted windows option.

    1. 135
    2. S3
    3. Z4 Coupe
    4. GTI
     

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