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Grizzly Bear VS Silverback Gorrila

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by contactme_11, Jun 27, 2007.

  1. GoSurface

    GoSurface Senior member

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    Pssh. Ann Coulter could talk all of these beasties to death.
     
  2. dopey

    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I was in Glacier National Park a few days after a grizzly attack (that included a woman getting her face ripped off) and my very vivid recollection is of being told that grizzlies are the most dangerous animals on earth and would kill any other member of the animal kingdom in a one-on-one fight. "The only thing that can kill a grizzly is another grizzly" is a direct quote. They are very fast, very strong and have deadly jaws and claws. They also are very well protected by thick fur. The only real vulnerability is poor eyesight and there is not much any animal can do to exploit that weakness once a battle has engaged. The rangers did suggest that if you encounter a grizzly at any distance, staying motionless would probably result in its not seeing you and if you were downwind it would be unlikely to know you were there.

    As it turns out, we had the worst of all possible experiences - we were traveling upwind, with the result that when we turned a corner on a trail we surprised a mother grizzly and ended up between her cubs (on the trail) and her (in the trees). Mom started to growl at us. We did what any one would do, ignored whatever advice we had been given, panicked, yelled as loud as we could and ran back the way we came. Mom ignored us, perhaps because while we were initially moving towards her, we were running away from the cubs. I have never been so scared before or since (and that includes two attempted armed muggings). The fear of being eaten by a monster runs pretty deep and is like nothing else I have ever experienced. I did not like it.
     
  3. Kent Wang

    Kent Wang Senior member Dubiously Honored Affiliate Vendor

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    I think a tiger can take a grizzly. It is much more agile and could jump onto the grizzly's back and bite its neck, like in that video with the tiger vs crocodile.
     
  4. JLibourel

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    Between a polar bear and a grizzly it would probably boil down to size. Although very different in appearance, both species are genetically very close. According to some accounts I've read, their genetic separation occurred only about 100,000 years ago, less than some of the "races" of modern humans. I believe that hybridization between them is possible, but I am not sure...or if the offspring are fertile.

    Liger males are sterile, FWIW, but the females are fertile and can be bred back to male lions or tigers.

    Between a tiger and a grizzly, my first instinct would be to put my money on the grizzly. I have read that tigers typically avoid black or sloth bears in the wilds of Asia, although these are much less formidable bears than grizzlies. I suppose the Amur (Siberian) tigers must come into contact with brown bears that are for practical purposes identical to our grizzlies, but I've never read about a fight.

    HOWEVER, in the old days in California, it was said that a mountain lion could kill a grizzly and did so on occasion, even though the California grizzly was supposed to be a very large race, almost comparable to the coastal brown bears of Alaska. Since a tiger is a vastly more formidable animal than the mountain lion, the implications are obvious.

    I think fights like African lions vs. grizzlies and such were staged in places like Mexico at least in the old days. Maybe I'll look into some of these topics.
     
  5. dopey

    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I think a tiger can take a grizzly. It is much more agile and could jump onto the grizzly's back and bite its neck, like in that video with the tiger vs crocodile.

    I think you are mistaken, but, obviously, I can't prove it. But note that male grizzlies at 400-600 pounds are a hundred pounds or more heavier than the typical large tiger(and the largest "normal" grizzlies are over 1,150 lbs as compared to the largest recorded tiger of 1,025). And unlike most other big animals, the grizzly is long of tooth and claw and aggressive in using them. The claws are 3-6" in length and are strong and sharp (though I am sure the jaws are weaker than a tiger's). And its neck, the tiger's favorite point of attack, is particularly strong muscled (the grizzly's distinctive hump) as though intended to protect from tigers.

    No matter how convincing I may be on this, I will gladly stay the hell away from tigers too.
     
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    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    . . . HOWEVER, in the old days in California, it was said that a mountain lion could kill a grizzly and did so on occasion, even though the California grizzly was supposed to be a very large race, almost comparable to the coastal brown bears of Alaska. Since a tiger is a vastly more formidable animal than the mountain lion, the implications are obvious.

    My guess is mature cougar vs. very young, very old or sick bear. It is hard to imagine that even the hungriest mountain lion would choose a healthy bear as its prey. That would be a very very low risk and effort v. reward ratio.
     
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    Lion vs. Hyenas.
     
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    I think that is, or was, a walrus (weighing up to 3,500 pounds).
    Koo Koo Ca Choo
     
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    This surprised me. I did not have any idea how much more powerful an orca was than a great white.
     
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    This surprised me. I did not have any idea how much more powerful an orca was than a great white.



    Interesting.


    Btw, I think a pissed-off Hippo could take about anything on.
     
  11. GoSurface

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    This surprised me. I did not have any idea how much more powerful an orca was than a great white.



    That's pretty rad. Too bad they didn't show more of the (dead) shark.
     
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    itsstillmatt Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    That's pretty rad. Too bad they didn't show more of the (dead) shark.
    Last winter we went down in a shark cage where that footage took place. We were hoping to see such an event, but instead we looked at the bottom of the boat for 8 hours.
     
  13. GoSurface

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    Last winter we went down in a shark cage where that footage took place. We were hoping to see such an event, but instead we looked at the bottom of the boat for 8 hours.

    That's pretty anticlimactic, did you see any sharks though? Usually, the anticipation leading to an event is better than the actual event, for me anyway.
     
  14. itsstillmatt

    itsstillmatt Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    no, we saw a school of minnow.
     
  15. GoSurface

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    no, we saw a school of minnow.

    Fantastic!
     
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    Hello Kitty, because nothing can withstand the power of cute! [​IMG]
     
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    Megalodon vs Giant Squid

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    Last winter we went down in a shark cage where that footage took place. We were hoping to see such an event, but instead we looked at the bottom of the boat for 8 hours.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Mutated Ebola Virus vs Humanity, and possibly chimpanzees and monkees
     
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