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Grenson cap toes and chukkas

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by AlanC, Sep 30, 2004.

  1. AlanC

    AlanC Minister of Trad

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    Here are a couple of shots of my Grenson cap toes, model 8001/17 in cognac with the handwritten "P" for Paul Stuart: [​IMG] and the sole: [​IMG] Here are the chukkas with rubber crepe sole. The chukkas aren't antiqued, just a rich brown leather. They are leather lined, and have this written on the inside: GRENSON STYLE 8014/50 9/D 4610 P 04-97 The "P" is handwritten. According to Mr. Pollock this should mean Paul Stuart, and that seems right, I think. He also suggests that the style numbers beginning with "8" are Masterpiece line. Does that mean that these chukkas are to that level? One would assume that for Paul Stuart they were of a higher grade than Grenson's regular line. I assume the "04-97" is the date they were made, which means they've been deadstock for six years or so. [​IMG] sole: [​IMG]
     


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    gems.

    did you notice any drying out of the leather, being that they have been stocked for perhaps 7 years with no shoe cream applied to them?
     


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    The appearance of the sole and heel and the script are the same as for my "Masterpiece" captoes. Do your chukkas have an oval fabric "plate" on the inside, as this is another supposed sign of Masterpiece grade? Neither the Grenson nor the Paul Stuart websites have any shoes that resemble yours, to spare you further research time.

    To respond to Phil, I didn't notice any drying of the leather.
     


  4. AlanC

    AlanC Minister of Trad

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    No, it's stamped on the interior lining, except the "P", which is handwritten. I agree, that votes against the Masterpiece designation as does the rubber sole. The captoes, of course, have the Masterpiece oval. And too late--I've already looked on the websites for something similar. The closest thing I've seen is the C&J chukka that Ben Silver sells (also rubber soled).

    The leather doesn't appear to be particularly dried out. I wanted to take the pictures before I applied anything to them.
     


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    I was simply guessing about what the handwritten "P" meant. On a recent trip to Bennie's, I saw a much cheaper looking loafer that was numbered in the 8000's, but I doubt that it was a Masterpiece; it had no oval and no "P."
    I think the oval is the most reliable guide, but as of yesterday, I again saw, on the rack, what I am 99.9% sure was a Grenson shoe, in an 8E, with the label, "La Coronnerie Anglaise, Paris." It was an plain oxblood monk strap with a punched toe (somewhat like the toe on the C&J Weymouth). It had very different numbers, no oval, and an entirely different sole, but still looked like a very expensive shoe to me.
    It could be that Grenson makes other lines for private labels, completely different from its Footmaster and Masterpiece series, but of no lesser quality than the Masterpieces. The "Henry Maxwell" shoe was somewhat different too (and it was marked "second") but it had the oval.
    Ken Pollock
    P.S. Buying from this lot of shoes is like treasure hunting; who knows what is to be found there. Let's not forget the prior post by someone who bought a pair of "Shipton & Heneage" shoes that had come to Bennie's with the batch of Grensons. The consensus here was that that shoe was made by Crockett and Jones. It seems clear that Bennie's bought a somewhat mixed lot of English made shoes.
     


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    I need to make the trek over to Bennie's sometime just to browse. Thanks for the thoughts Mr. Pollock. Both pairs are treasures to me.
     


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