Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Kent Wang, Jun 6, 2005.
is there an uglier can of worms in the style forum universe?
No, there isn't. I apologize that members keep having to see it play out. This Grayson/Goldstein guy really is disturbed.
so other then the giving credit to mr. kabbaz-which he is due for the gekko shirts. What about the original aspect of this thread.
Contrast collars today in June 2005--too 80's -going in the way of "flock of seagull"
or timeless a style with lasting and staying power if done with taste and restraint
I vote "B". I don't have many of them, but I like the ones I have. Also, I have certain shirts that when the collars and cuffs finally give out, I will have them replaced with white. At least that's the plan now.
I rather like them, but don't wear them personally.
I'm sorry you fail to see the humor in this post. Considering that obviously Moses did NOT make the shirts, and Ghandi and I did NOT go out for shots, I would have thought that you'd be able to relax a little bit and enjoy the jab at Greyson. Looks like I was mistaken.
It's good to see you are still here, as I haven't seen you post recently. Yes, I know you made the shirts.
The actual line is even better:
"Buy a decent suit, will ya? You can't come in here looking like this. Go to Morty Sills, tell him I sent you."
I'd say B as well with emphasis on my opinion that contrast collars look a lot better on tall men. Most short men that I've seen in contrast collars look ganstar in apperance. Again just my opinion but strong enough to steer me clear of the shirts altogether. I've seen some from time to time that I'd like to buy, last years spread RLPL shirts come to mind and a few T&A RTW selections from this years collection, but I think these shirts can only be pulled off by certain individuals. In the end its walking a tin line, especially if your a young professional, as I think to most people associate contrast collars with old man stuffiness. Not to say that it can't be pulled off remarkably, as was the case the other day at Hermes in Atlanta with a fine Asian gentlemen in a impressive contrast shirt (looked T&A) paired with a 2B navy pinstripe suit and yellow hermes tie.
Perhaps if we discussed what kind of watch Gekko was wearing, we can get into a REAL flame war.
As far as the topic, I like the way Gekko was dressed, regardless of who made the shirts (and, Alex, I know it was you). Terrific looking shirts and suits that really captured the Wall Street fashion sense of the time. I've always liked the look of the contrast collars, particularly in a business setting.
The Gekko character was created by Oliver Stone to be a villain. Stone had a point of view to express - that the Wall Street excess which pervaded this time period was wrong, and that businessmen like Gekko who cared only for themselves at the expense of others were a big part of the problem (I'm not advocating Stone's position, BTW - I've always felt that Oliver Stone sees things in a bit too much black and white - that, and the symbolism he uses in his movies is laughably obvious - I'll save this rant for another time). I find it interesting, however, that when Wall Street bounced back in the 90's on the backs of the tech firms, the Gekko character became for many a hero of sorts, and his business and lifestyle were seen as the ideal. This is reflected in a scene in the film "Boiler Room."
This is clearly not what the filmmaker intended but, apparently, he made Gekko's lifestyle a bit too desirable.
Love 'em. But would only wear them these days in a pretty conservative business sit'n. I have a dozen or so in my closet. Am saving to have Alex make me a couple more or so.
True, clearly if given the choice most men would much rather be Gordon Gekko than Robin Hood. Who wants to wear green tights anyway?
If I recall correctly, I think in Flusser's latest book he had dressed up an Asian gentleman in a contrasting collar/cuff shirt and it looked terrific.
And since we're quoting some of my favorites from that movie: "Mr. Gekko...you're wife on line 2" *blows it off* "What else you got for me, pal?" "The key is capital reserves; without it you can't piss in the tall weeds with the big dogs" "Money never sleeps" "You need a friend? Get a dawg" "That's the one thing you have to remember about Wasps...they love animals, can't stand people" "Mixed emotions Buddy...like watching Larry Wildman drive off a cliff....in my new Maserati" "You got me into this mess, and you better get me out of it, otherwise the only job you'll have on this street is sweeping it" "What the hell is Cromwell doing giving lectures when his company is losing 25 mil a quarter? Probably talking about how to lose money. If he owned a funeral parlour no one would die. This turkey is totally brain dead. All right, Xmas is over, business is business, you dilute the sonuvabitch, Ollie, I want every orifice in his body flowing red." (as you can see I'm a big fan of this film) koji
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