Good value ties

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  1. jcusey

    jcusey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Charvet, Hermes, and Arnys all make great ties, and all three have the acetate logo keepers rather than a self-loop. I've never been able to understand it. It's a bit like it would be if the Waldorf Astoria had plastic cups in the bathrooms.

    Yup. As I'm sure you know, a lot of people out there think that the thicker the tie, the better the quality, not realizing that in many or most cases, the tie's thickness is a function of the lining. I'm sure that a lot of tie manufacturers have learned that you can charge $10 more for a tie if you just throw in a thick lining.
     


  2. AlanC

    AlanC Minister of Trad

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    I wonder if all three of the makers you mention being French has anything to do with it. My French made Breuer tie has a self-loop, however.

    Speaking of thickness of silk, isn't Drake's, for example, well known for using particularly heavy silks? I would think weight of the silk would have at least something to do with it.
     


  3. FIHTies

    FIHTies Senior member

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    All Thick Silk ties are weighty, but not all weighty ties have thick silks.

    Capisce?
     


  4. norcaltransplant

    norcaltransplant Senior member

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    The "interesting" Forbes list...

    I hope your fondness for Jay Kos ties as such great "values" hasn't been tempered too much by this forum. I think Forbes put together that list according to business principals first--whoever offered the most advertising money got to be at the top of the list. FWIW, Kos probably subcontracts their ties to a "secretive" third party--they're not very friendly when asked about their suppliers.

    Hmm, I personally would have included Etro or Duchamp instead of Paul Smith, Brooks Brothers for JPress, and managed to squeeze Dunhill in there somewhere. Armani ranked in the top 5, puhleeeze.

    Ferragamo should drop a notch and Talbott should spend more on their marketing department. Or not, since I can't even afford the $250 7-fold at current prices.
     


  5. A Harris

    A Harris Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Go with Chuck's version then [​IMG]
     


  6. FIHTies

    FIHTies Senior member

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    Or Mine. [​IMG] . Come to think of it...its time to start advertising more...Move over Talbotts $250 here comes FIH [​IMG] ...
     


  7. Phil

    Phil Senior member

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    I just bought a Drakes 50 ounce silk tie from Ben Silver. The fabric is heavy, but not bulky, if that makes any sense. It ties into a beautiful knot, and the colors are vibrant and strong.

    As far as value goes, I recieved a gift certificate from Tiecrafters from a friend for my birthday. It was for $120, which covers 2 ties. I got to chose the fabric, the width, the type of lining and the thickness. Id say it was a great deal, since I ended up chosing 2 silk grenadine ties that I never seen anywhere else. And for $120 total, seems like a great deal. I havent recieved the ties yet, but they will be ready anyday.
     


  8. Steve B.

    Steve B. Go Spurs Go

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    Talbott's 7 folds are $195...

    What's Chuck's web site?
     


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  10. FIHTies

    FIHTies Senior member

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    So whats the deal...

    Passing through Duty Free shops and checking out the Ferragamo and Hermes ties...

    Definately not lined in wool, and the prints were ugly. (at least according to my taste)

    How come they command such a premium?

    JJF
     


  11. jcusey

    jcusey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    To each his own, I guess. The Hermes ties that I have certainly do have a wool lining, although I didn't buy them at the duty-free shop. I've never had much use for Ferragamo ties, so I can't say for sure about them.

    As for the prints, Hermes has some that I like very much and some that I can just leave alone. Some people only like wovens, some like will tolerate prints only if the designs are extremely simple, some people like the more intricate prints that you find on Hermes ties. Variety is the spice of life.
     


  12. FIHTies

    FIHTies Senior member

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    (FIHTies @ 08 July 2004, 07:16) Passing through Duty Free shops and checking out the Ferragamo and Hermes ties... Definately not lined in wool, and the prints were ugly. (at least according to my taste) How come they command such a premium?
    To each his own, I guess. The Hermes ties that I have certainly do have a wool lining, although I didn't buy them at the duty-free shop. I've never had much use for Ferragamo ties, so I can't say for sure about them. As for the prints, Hermes has some that I like very much and some that I can just leave alone. Some people only like wovens, some like will tolerate prints only if the designs are extremely simple, some people like the more intricate prints that you find on Hermes ties. Variety is the spice of life.
    My sincerest apologies. It was NOT my intent to insult and I hope that it was not taken that way. kind of reminds me of a time when into my children's boutique walked a woman and commented...WHO BUYS ALL THESE UGLY THINGS??? and my mother who was the sole buyer said ME. Sorry. Certainly tastes make the variety of life. What i was really disappointed about was the construction, it felt kind of flimsy. And I wasnt disappointed really. i was Jealous [​IMG] I couldnt get away with selling a tie with that kind of construction, how come they can. [​IMG] Sorry again. [​IMG] JJF
     


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    (FIHTies @ 08 July 2004, 07:16) Passing through Duty Free shops and checking out the Ferragamo and Hermes ties... Definately not lined in wool, and the prints were ugly. (at least according to my taste) How come they command such a premium?
    To each his own, I guess. The Hermes ties that I have certainly do have a wool lining, although I didn't buy them at the duty-free shop. I've never had much use for Ferragamo ties, so I can't say for sure about them. As for the prints, Hermes has some that I like very much and some that I can just leave alone. Some people only like wovens, some like will tolerate prints only if the designs are extremely simple, some people like the more intricate prints that you find on Hermes ties. Variety is the spice of life.
    Agreed. I'm a woven tie fan, but every now and then, I'll see an intricate printed pattern whose colors are vibrant and sharp, but in subtle tones and hues. Nine times out of ten, when I check out the make, it's an Hermes. Their silk has a nice hand too. I rarely buy Hermes ties, but when they're at the Last Call sale, for 20% off or so, I sometimes can't resist.
     


  14. BGW

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    How can one tell the material/quality of a tie's lining without deconstructing it?
     


  15. FIHTies

    FIHTies Senior member

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    Well, they actually had security all over me cause I brought about 8 to the back of the store and had them disembowelled...

    But in reality pretty much for the same reason that wool is preffered it springs back to its original shape faster that the blends.  Wool is less likely to crease (but that also depends on the type of silk used).  This is more easier discerned in a print as Hermes and Ferragamo ties are, as its thinner) you can feel the lining through the silk and if it has a rough feel to it and not like a piece of pure wool then its most probably a blend which accounts for its rigidity. Incidentally this is why it springs back to its shape as its less rigid.  Also Unless its a really thin all wool lining which is improbable as in wool you need more body to keep the shape the tie is supposed to have you can feel the three layers that the tie makes and see that its ultra thin and the weight is a bit...flimsy.

    This has been my experience with ties, which i have some however by no means is it conclusive, and in fact I am trying to email Hermes but their request information is not functioning. Anyone in the US call 800 441 4488.

    HOWEVER, assuming that my analysis of the tie was incorrect, I will tell you that having felt many of the ties in the  Duty Free Shop and having done so with the intent of "feeling them out" i will say that on Touch alone I would not value the tie at 115-130 as they were all priced.

    The Aesthetics of the ties I already listed my opinions above.

    JJF

    PS: While writing this post, I emailed Hermes...and Amazingly within the 5 minutes of this post I got a response. (however it didnt address the question of the lining, only of the ties which as we all knew were silk...)
     


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