Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Jan 6, 2014.
The min is actually half of that
So something @ridethecliche said last week made me ponder. His first(?) CBD post went like 30+ thumb ups and he said CBD is easy. Then I began asking myself wtf have I actually learned when I am still doing CBD? I am still playing this game at easy mode?
I would say easier, not easy.
There are still plenty of things to get wrong in CBD aside from fit. Your early Zegna experiences are an example - we've all had 'em unless someone lurked for a really long time and never bought much on their own before absorbing some quality info.
You can still mess up a suit by wearing an ill fitting one or one that just isn't good looking. But you can really screw the pooch with odd jacket combos by having no understanding of color and texture combos. I think those mistakes stand out way more.
Lastly, not a knock against RTC at all but I don't think it was a 30+ thumbs quality fit in the way we're used to seeing those. I think it was more the FFA side of it, ha. But that definitely deserves credit where credit is due as well.
The number of thumbs up is not the most reliable indicator of a fit's quality, Noodles...
Since there are less variables to play with in CBD, it's even more important to get them right. So it's not easy, IMO.
Oh my...this thread is going to be on fire when I attempt odd jackets/trousers (OJT).
I agree that mistakes are more apparent when attempting OJT. I said CBD is harder but it depends on how you look at it. I am confined to a matching jacket and pants and must try to dress nice with just a shirt, a tie, and a pair of shoes. I am much more limited in what I can do. That is why I tend to have the want to get suits with patterns rather than a solid. I think the blue plaid is a good example of the pattern being subtle while being less boring than a solid.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but bullshit. CBD is dead nuts easy. Go to good haberdashery, have them help you pick out five dark suits, then have them altered appropriately. Buy some decently fitting white and/or light blue shirts with a nice collar. 5-10 dark ties in a mix of neats. Black captoes. Done. You can put any of these things together in the morning without thinking about it at all. With the assistance of the good store, you don't even have to know how to choose the suit or what constitutes a good fit.
I can't comment on the thumbs, but I think the suit fit well and the pieces were picked well. I picked the suit. @in stitches told me to buy the tie. And I had already bought the shoes somewhere else and had the PS was from Spoo.
CBD is about the suit silhouette and restraint. I honestly don't think it's that hard to do when you do it right. I feel much more rewarded when a fit with an SC is liked as it's much harder and even the good dressers do it wrong. I bet I could do CBD right like 95/100. It's just not fun for me.
I still think CBD is easy to get right, especially for me. I just have to do the exact opposite of what I want to do. I'm only partially kidding here...
I know how things should fit pretty well by now, buying things second hand and learning what a tailor can/can't do has been a helpful process as well.
The thing about that suit is that it fits my shoulders really well and has a great silhouette. It would have been better if I could have had cuffs on the pants, but there wasn't enough material.
If my future jackets/suits fit like that or better, I will have no complaints!
Doubt it. For him to bulk up to the point of making his shoulders 2-3 inches wider might be impossible, and certainly not easy. The proper thing is for him to buy suits that have a little shoulder extension and a slightly narrower waist, to make the silhouette look good on him.
Most people do not do well with clothes that actually follow their natural body lines, myself included.
No hate to RTC, but many of those thumbs were a compliment to his improvement. Not to say it was bad, but it was not in the "30 thumb" realm for pure execution. And thats cool.
And a good kop it was, and very nice fit no question.
Im out til Sat night. More later if its still pertinent.
<3 to all my broes!
Hence my mid-life crisis. I haven't learned anything since all I have been doing is CBD!
@The Noodles, left you a message on your profile page
Where you goin', Stitchy? Moar Jewish holiday?
Noodles, I think you have learned something, but that something has been fit. We haven't really seen you do odd jackets, so who knows? Maybe you have a latent genius for pattern and color combining...
CBD is relatively easy to do a decent job with (compared to more dandified dressing). Provided you stay within the parameters and your stuff fits, it's a lot harder to have a complete trainwreck. Basically you are taking less risk and tend to have a narrower range of outcomes.
As you move away from CBD, you add risk. If you truly know what you are doing, then you can get some positive return out of this. You can also add risk and end up with an average outfit that looks worse than your CBD outfits look. The question is whether you are good enough at dressing yourself that you raise your game by taking the additional risk.
I would say that if your tastes lie towards the CBD end, you can still spend a lifetime learning how to do it better and making incremental improvements across the board. There are really skilled dressers that rarely if ever deviate from CBD. There are really skilled dressers that go for more dandified looks and hit a lot of homeruns and suffer from minimal trainwrecks. There are mediocre dressers that look boring in CBD or that try to be dandified and most of the time end up with a trainwreck of an outfit. Where you play and what style (or styles if you end up in between) best suits you is up to you, Noodles. There are also tasteful and relatively risk free ways to push the boundaries of CBD.
- a definite NO.
^ Noodles, start your odd jacket collection with a navy blazer when you go down that road. Much harder to mess up than any other odd jacket.
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