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Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Jan 6, 2014.

  1. Betelgeuse

    Betelgeuse Senior member

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    The color is fantastic. I would not care about the versatility because the green part would be covered most of the times by the trousers (only exposed maybe when you sit). But I don't know about pairing it with denim. If I'm not mistaken are these balmoral boots? What I mean is, they will look like if you are wearing oxfords with denim. Which I think is not coherent.I could be wrong.
     
  2. ridethecliche

    ridethecliche Senior member

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    Not a fan of the wingtip on those. Color is rad though.
     
  3. MRMstl

    MRMstl Senior member

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    I think those are disturbingly gorgeous and tried to get my own pair but they were out of my size.

    My $.02 is that you can wear them with anything that you would wear that color brown wingtip with. The green shaft makes them less formal than they would be otherwise, but from a matching perspective the green suede doesn't hinder you at all IMO.

    I would absolutely pair them with a pair of "dressy" denim and sport coat or cardigan. Don't let the (dark) green shaft limit you.
     
  4. Monkeyface

    Monkeyface Senior member

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    Not very versatile. The closed lacing and no brogueing means it's only for wearing with suits. Now, most (including myself) ignore this rule, but it still means these boots would mainly be for the nicer odd jacket and trouser fits, and certainly not with denim (an open laced and brogued boot with a heavy sole would be appropriate for denim). What other kind of shoes/boots do you have already? These boots would be a nice addition when you already have a solid rotation, of let's say, 5-6 shoes and a more versatile pair of boots.

    You could wear something like this with denim and odd jackets/trousers, which means it would be much more versatile.
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  5. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I mean...kind of yes, but also a lot of no. If your aim with dressing is to be stylish but understated, these boots are most definitely not for you. However you defend them to the many comments of "whoa cool boots, those are fancy!" will not mitigate the dandified impression that they'll make on most people. That's not to discourage you from getting them, or even to say that they're not versatile in the sense of being compatible with a wide range of different outfits. But no matter what you wear them with, they will be fancy boots.
     
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  6. The Noodles

    The Noodles Senior member

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    At least you guys aren't checking sf updates in the bathroom. Could be worse!
     
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  7. LoKey

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    Thanks for all the feedback! It sounds like that most of the suggestions are to pair it for "dressier" fits ranging from suits to odd trousers/jackets rather than with casual fits. That makes sense to me.

    @Monkeyface :, Great question. I still have a staple or two to add in to my rotation, but I'm sitting at around 6 shoes and 4 boots ( unlined snuff suede chukka, a mid brown grained leather tanker, merlot calf leather cap toe derby, and a grain leather cap toe derby). I'm looking for something that I can wear in Boston winters with salted sidewalks. I hardly ever wear suits but frequently wear odd jackets with and without ties. Trousers are generally flannels, tweeds, and twill. Since I wear boots 3 or 4 days a week during winter, I'd like to have a decent rotation but want to keep it to 5, no more than 6 boots. Hence the question about versatility.

    @unbelragazzo : "Fancy Boots" is an apt label for them. I generally lean towards understated because of my line of work but I have a small corner in my wardrobe for dandier alternatives. I've been looking for two toned boots but the contrast on these is quite stark. I'll have to sit on it for a few more days.
     
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  8. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Great boot. Is that C&J?
     
  9. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    Whats up, MR. FANCY BOOTS!!??

    I just like the sound of that.
     
  10. in stitches

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    I think yes, its the Islay?
     
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  11. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    Figured this would be a good place to get some thoughts on something I've been contemplating. I realized as part of my wardrobe plan that I really need to replace a navy worsted suit I bought from Brooks Brothers about 2.5 years ago at a time when I desperately needed a navy suit. The Regent actually fits me pretty well and I don't mind the belted trousers, but the fabric is just not that nice and I find myself not enjoying wearing it. Currently I have the following suits not including the BB one:

    1) Medium grey SB worsted
    2) Charcoal SB worsted
    3) Navy DB worsted
    4) Grey DB flannel
    5) RAF SB wool / linen
    6) Tan SB linen

    I wear a suit maybe 3-4 times a month and seldom truly need to be CBD. I have the occasional interview but mostly wear suits to charity events, galas and the occasional networking event so I have a bit more flexibility in how I dress. I'm contemplated getting a navy flannel suit to use for F/W and to complement the RAF wool / linen suit that gets worn in the summer. The other option would be a standard navy worsted. The navy SB worsted is a true staple, but I'm thinking the flannel is probably close enough for all practical purposes and adds a bit more seasonality to my wardrobe, which I like.
     
  12. MRMstl

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    I agree with this. I assumed anyone considering two-tone boots with green suede shaft (myself included) had already come to terms with this as well.

    But I think all the comments suggesting they can ONLY be worn with more formal outfits BECAUSE of them being 'balmoral' instead of 'blucher' is misguided. They are light brown boots with a green suede shaft. Those two elements trump the lacing configuration (a detail all but 1% of the public are oblivious to in the first place) by a country mile. So from that standpoint it becomes a question of what is your priority: A) abiding by the strict "code" of SF in an effort to get a wink-wink nod-nod from some virtual avatars or B) looking good IRL.

    I have the utmost respect for the "rules" and have learned an immense amount reading through this forum over the years, but sometimes it gets silly and I think this is an example of that. Suggesting these boots are strictly formalwear due to the lacing is a whiff. I see these boots as the footwear equivalent of a peaked lapel, patch pocket sport coat. Both items have elements of formality, but the overall product is versatile enough to be dressed up or down as desired by the wearer.

    EDIT: had "as desired" twice in the last sentence and removed one.
     
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  13. Monkeyface

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    Yep, the Islay. I usually walk by one of their stores during lunchtime, and I can't help but take a quick look once in a while.
     
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  14. Isolation

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    I vote for flannel blazersuit. I think it's quite versatile, and unlike most, I don't think you NEED patch pockets with a flannel suit to wear them as separates. MoP buttons and it's fine I think.

    Islay is nice, but strangely enough I've been really drawn to the Loake Hyde, which is strange because I've mostly been looking to move to the CJ price bracket (Got a pair of Monktons recently, planning to get the Tetbury and Chadwick at some point), but the Hyde last just seems so sleek and the punchole design accentuates it. Plus I think I just don't like the runners for some reason. I really do want a burgundy shell boot though, but honestly that's not something I need at all so, sigh, maybe some later point in my life. To be honest, I don't need any new shoes at all, but you know, relatively speaking, I need shell boots even less than the other things I don't need.
     
  15. EFV

    EFV Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I've got the Hyde's, and was, exactly like you at the point of purchase, thinking about stepping up quality wise. I was also drawn by the clean and sleek boot design of the Hyde, and decided to just get them.

    Next shoe will be a step up though. Currently looking at Vass & Carmina as alternatives. Will most likely get a PTB.
     
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  16. europrep

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    Tie looks great. I like everything but that soft collar with the outfit. Looks too casual - everything in the outfit is nice and "crisp" and the shirt looks "limp."
     
  17. mrjester

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    Once I tried an unlined/unfused collar, I can never go back. Felt like cardboard around my neck. This feels... natural. I like it.
     
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  18. Isolation

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    How do you find the Hydes? My spouse has a pair and I loooove it, I gape at the glistening toe every time, and I find the punchole so elegantly accentuating that bit of shininess. It also looks fairly formal even though it's a boot because well the last is basically the same as their dress shoes, but of course being a boot they work quite well with more casual outfits too. I'd get a pair, but I already have 2 brown chukkas (one suede) and a black chukka and chelsea.

    I've just realized that I wear boots (relatively formal and simple ones like Chukkas and Chelseas), so what in reality is no break at all often ends up looking kinda normal, which I don't mind per se. I wonder if that's something to think about, what shoes you usually wear with the specific pair of trousers, when considering length of trousers. I must admit I do wear jeans a bit and I just cuff them as necessary, so I'd roll them higher with boots and it'd have a chunkier bottom look, but if I wear trouers or want a more dressy look my trousers will hide most of the boot and it looks relatively like normal dress shoes. I think anyway, and I imagine that's what most people see, though I'm sure everyone on styleforum can immediately spot me wearing boots with a suit, and some % of these people will shake their heads disapprovingly.

    The same fit that I really liked from Claghorn (the db one) also makes me really want to get a oxford brogue in brown or burgundy, which, shockingly, I don't have. I only have one in tan. It's alarming how I can have a dozen pairs of shoes and still miss basics. I'm too easily sidetracked.

    By the way, be wary, my clothes will soon arrive from Hong Kong so I have more suits and jackets and fits for you to critique! I hope y'all will be patient with me. ^^
     
  19. in stitches

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    If you want a flannel, then I would suggest a light grey SB suit. For reasons that popped up in recent discusdion, I am picturing a navy flannel to be a dust magnet. If not, then there is the blue flannel suit from the place that we talk about so much here.

    Oh yes~
     
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