Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Jan 6, 2014.

  1. ridethecliche

    ridethecliche Senior member

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    So I guess the inca in 7 would be a better bet? I'll try seeing if I can scoop some used ones in my size sometime to try on and figure out.

    The long game. Sigh. haha.
     


  2. in stitches

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    In a larger sense, you are right, but MC people certainly take note of backgrounds, too. Off the top of my head, EFV, Braddock, and Cleav, all get a lot of love for the visual components of their fits, outside the actual clothing items. I think that aside from those living in rural America, the Europeans have an edge on pretty places around the town to take pics.
     


  3. SeaJen

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    I have watched this conversation with interest, and I think Jubei makes a good point. From what I've seen of the SWD side (which is admittedly not much), there is much more interest in the drama of the scene there. MC, outside of those lazy asses who merely photograph themselves in their offices, favor a bucolic backdrop to reinforce that country gent vibe. Shen is an anomaly (perhaps he also posts in SWD, I don't know, but it would explain it). SVB posts in both forums, I know, and he is another who chooses his scenery with care. But it is beyond merely the locale of the shot; it is the pose, the framing, and lighting too. A lot of chiaroscuro that emphasizes aspects of the fit the poster wishes to, I suspect. Clearly an arty bunch.

    Having said all that, I think the art appreciation aspect of the outfits can be overplayed. By that I mean, the implication that it is an acquired taste and not to like it is merely a reflection of the observer's naivete or ignorance. I've spent a good amount of time in art galleries and museums,being married to an art historian, and my house is filled with books on every period and school of art you can imagine, but just because the art community heralds something, does not, to me, satisfy the criteria for it to be art and therefore worthy of my approval, respect, etc. For instance, Elsworth Kelly was apparently inspired by Paul Cezanne's The Bay of Marseille, Seen from L'Estaque to paint Lake II. It makes me feel bad for Cezanne.

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  4. ridethecliche

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    I think I really like the art comparison.

    I got railed on when I first started posting in SWD because I didn't get it. It's definitely something you have to get more used to seeing because it's not something you encounter all the time every day.

    I still don't get a lot of the fits there, but the overall vibe is growing on me.

    Edit: I can see what @SeaJen means as well, but I think there's a certain beauty in reductionism as well. I don't claim to like most of the art at the contemporary art museum in town, but I go there because I like the thought behind it.
     
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    sugarbutch Bearded Prick Dubiously Honored

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    Ellsworth Kelly dissing makes the Baby Jeezus cry.
     


  6. SeaJen

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    I certainly wasn't impugning all modern and contemporary art. I enjoy Mondrian, Close, De Kooning, Dali, Hockney, O'Keefe, etc. I just don't see the greatness in Lake II (or much of Kelly's work, TBH sorry Suge)
     
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  7. JubeiSpiegel

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    This Calvin & Hobbes cartoon came to mind, and i thought relevant:

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    Enjoy...
     


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    This makes me feel bad for E. Kelly. ;)
    I bet Cezanne couldn't give a damn.
     


  9. in stitches

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    SeaJen, I dont mean to imply that not appreciating it "is merely a reflection of the observer's naivete or ignorance."

    What I mean is, that it does require an acclimation period to understand why its good. Not because someone is ignorant, but but because their eyes are not accustomed to it. Maybe that is just a nicer way of saying the same thing, I dont know.

    In any case, I'd add, you also need to see the bad, or not as good, fits, juxtaposed to the good, or great ones, to see why they are special.

    Lastly, In a way, MC is not all that different. Most of us arrived here as we plodded along our fashion journeys, with a sense of confidence that we dressed well, and in most cases that was probably reinforced by those around us who complemented us. And yet, we got here, and were by en large, railed for how crappily we looked, and 99% of the time, that would be true. We did look like crap. And it probably tok some time reading MC WAYWRN to see what in fact was good, and where we were lacking.

    I dont think anyone would argument against that, on the contrary, we pridefully announce how much we have learned and how far we have come. SWD is really no different. Its just another venue that requires effort and studying to see why what we may think is good is maybe not so good, and why what we may not realize is great, is in fact, great.
     


  10. Monkeyface

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    Surely the SWD people won't walk next to stark white walls exclusively? An outfit has to look good outside of the context of the photo. I didn't know people got dressed in the morning thinking about how good it would look when photographed next to a graffiti wall, an exposed brick wall or a white wall with harsh lighting.
     


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    I wasn't putting words in your mouth, Stitch. Just commenting on the general sense I get whenever this type of discussion erupts. And who knew Kelly had so many supporters here?
     


  12. JubeiSpiegel

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    I don't see why it couldn't be. Don't we in CM focus our outfits on the appropriateness of the occasion or place? We certainly cater our look to specific stipulations, and i suspect that SWD does the same, albeit to a difference set of criteria.

    I'm spitballing though, maybe someone more SWD minded can chime in...
     
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  13. in stitches

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    I can assure you that no one in SWD gets dressed in the morning and chooses what they are going to wear a based on what potential walls they may walk by.
     


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    I know, and that's why the whole discussion about how the outfit looks against that one wall is pointless. Assess the outfit on its own. I quite like his look, apart from overly emphasizing the skinny ankles (roll the pants down an inch and you're good to go), but I really don't see what the wall has to do with liking the outfit. Does that mean people would hate it if he were taking a selfie in the office bathroom mirror?
     
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    Are you sure about that, Stitchy? :)
     


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