Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Jan 6, 2014.

  1. ridethecliche

    ridethecliche Senior member

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    @Isolation is falling prey to the 'more equals better' line of thought. You're better off getting a few nice things and building up instead of trying to acquire lots of meh things at once. When you know there's something better out there, that 'meh' stuff will never get worn. It's a total waste of money and the results show it.

    I've honestly thrifted most of my wardrobe and like 90% of it looks better than that suit does on you. The rest I trade or return. I think you're burning your money with suits like that. It doesn't matter if it's cheap if it sucks.
     
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  2. New Shoes1

    New Shoes1 Senior member

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    Wow, I love the jackets on the Steed website! Very impressive. I'll have to keep them in mind when I'm ready to take a step up in quality for MTM.
     


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    EFV Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    you know where to look, what you should be looking for and how to convey what you're looking for.
     
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    in stitches Kung Joo Moderator

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    Iso, you're experiencing the pitfalls of commissioning too many pieces at once with an untested tailor. No matter how much you're paying, it's usually better to have one suit made to make sure the tailor can deliver acceptable product.
     


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    Happy Anniversary Cleav! Many congrats! I like to hear stories like yours.

    I'm drooling over the gift you got! I need to get a nice box for all my gear.

    Thats a tough and expensive lesson Isolation. I feel your your pain. Good luck trying to salvage what you can.
     


  7. The Noodles

    The Noodles Skid Fu

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    I hope Isolation doesn't have a picnic attack. I would be going effing TKD on the tailor right now.
     


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    This. Ed (Panta) wouldn't even let me do more than one item to start.
     


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    Dear Noodles, could you please be so kind to translate this post for the benefit of those members who are not so well versed in the American vernacular? ;)
     


  10. ridethecliche

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    Is that what it's called when yogi bear ambushes you and takes away your picnic basket?
     


  11. The Noodles

    The Noodles Skid Fu

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    Oh dear...where do I start?
    Picnic attacks is when I would have panic attacks after realizing (thru SF) that I just blew bucket load of cash on an ill-fitting or ugly piece of menswear. For example, I proudly put down $3,500 on a Isaia suit and posted pics thinking it would blow everyone away. But it turned out to be the wrong size for me, not fitting well at the shoulders. This is when my world turned upside-down and I started having a panic attack. Luckily, the store was gracious enough to let me return the suit despite 6 months had already pass.

    TKD - Tae Kwon Do.
    I was going to say, "I would go Kung Fu on the tailor" but I don't know Kung Fu.

    I hope this helps. I am currently going through a phase in my career where I am seeing my biggest weakness rear its ugly head. Writing skill is very important in the corporate world especially as you move up, but I ignored polishing this skill since I thought I would only work with numbers and thought that I would never have to write stuff for the board/execs/VPs/etc. Need ESL again.
     
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    ^ Thanks! [​IMG]
     


  13. Isolation

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    No picnic attack yet, since I'm still in the denial stage!

    I've seen a bunch of stuff posted by Dream that looked good and had positive comments, similarly Chan is generally well respected but mine was not very well liked so I feel like my body might be partially the cause. I'm still hopeful the result will be okay.

    Finally I kind of disagree, if I really do get what I pay for that's fine. If I took the money I'm spending this trip to Steed (looks great fwiw), I'd get 3 suits between two people. That's a third of a bare wardrobe for one person. Dream costs literally 1/4 (or in fact 1/5) the price of Steed and I think it's unreasonable to tell me to spend my next year wearing three (albeit very good) suits for all four seasons, and then have my partner wear nothing. As I explained RTW fits awfully so budget bespoke--let's call it mtm-- is kind of the only option for filling a wardrobe as there's no way they can afford 1.5k suits.

    Also I should make it clear so far we have only commissioned 1 suit/jacket per person per tailor with exception of the burgundy DB, which I wanted to be tried early as it will be the basis of other DB jackets/suits.

    I know there's a high standard here, but pardon my naïveté/petulance(?) but I can hardly imagine the jackets to be bad for the price or to say they are worse than RTW. I've had a GH RTW and it's no different from the back, or rather clearly worse, due to my shoulder, and maybe I'm not looking had enough but I've never found £450 suits RTW that are clearly better. If anything most I've found fit me poorly or had styles and fabrics not to my liking, or are more expensive, or both (for instance Ede and Ravenscroft suits start at £700-900, and I'd think, considering the customozibility especially, suits from Dream is worth at least half as much as a RTW from Ede?).

    Like I said this looks like denial and defensiveness over a bad purchase perhaps but tbh I don't see how it can be that bad if you put the price in perspective. If these jackets (or the result) were MTM or RTW of this price and you rated it as such instead of bespoke would you consider it as awful an investment?

    (This is wrt Dream, the moda ones are not looking great I admit.)

    If I took this money to get suits made elsewhere even somewhere cheaper than steed, I would not have a seasonal wardrobe even for myself, much less for two people. I hope to one day upgrade my wardrobe piece by piece, but I think getting a dozen suits and jackets at this price range first is a reasonable thing to do.

    If truly these were unwearable maybe there's merit, but these clothes will be better quality than what 98% or more of the people I come into contact with will wear, and while I'd like to aim higher, you have to start somewhere, and I can't just wear 3 suits the whole year. I'd rather have a seasonal wardrobe I can work with for now.
     
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  14. ridethecliche

    ridethecliche Senior member

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    You are having a suit made to fit your body, not the other way around. This is stupid. Faulting your body type for the tailor's inadequacy is ridiculous.

    The quality of the fabric doesn't matter if the stuff you're wearing looks as atrocious as it does. Seriously. It looks awful. The drape is bad for both the suit and pants. It's not flattering.

    Unless the final product is much better than what you posted, it's just not worth it even at 40 bucks a suit.
     
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  15. kulata

    kulata Senior member

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    @Isolation this South Korean dude has a similar body type and you can see excellent results with 2 different tailors for a reasonable price

    Sartoria Vanni


    Spolverino


    Seamasterlux in his NK Fashion suit (a tailor based in Hong kong) and sub $1500 to boot

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