Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Jan 6, 2014.
Yah, NickP, your pictures were enough to settle any debate. Your presence was a few hours too late
There are endless debates on what exactly are the characteristics of the Neapolitan jacket, but I think it's fair to say that they do tend to have wider lapels. Here's the window of the Attolini shop in Naples a couple of months ago:
Is anyone else finding the prevalence of the 3r2 button arrangement rather tiresome these days? Perhaps it's just me being a young dinosaur as usual...
This style of gorge, lapel and length is, however, a delight to me - especially in the face of the Bieberesque skinny-lapelled hipster bumfreezers of contemporary fashion emporia.
Not really, if I recall correctly the only appropriate amount of buttons is one or three. I think I read it in an article on Huntsman. So a 3 roll 2 has the right amount of buttons, but the look of a 2.
But it doesn't look like a two. The way the lower lapel bulges makes it look like an oddly-pressed three. Anyway, it's a "thing", it's popular in current iGentry and there's nothing wrong with it. I'm just surprised at how much it appears to have become a standard.
Since we're talking about characteristics of the Neapolitan jacket, the 3r2 button arrangement is very much one of those characteristics. And always has been, regardless of whether it is a current prevalence.
In my opinion, something just doesn't look right about a 3.5"+ lapel and a two-button. To me, nothing looks better than the Neapolitan cut 3r2.
The 3r2 has a very long history. It's particularly popular now but not like it's some newfangled detail the kids made up.
This ^ +
3R2, what's not to like in a balanced wardrobe?
Yup, it's been around since the early 1900's (perhaps earlier?). Favoured by both American trads and Italians (and of course, iGentry).
Looks like it's you against the SF world on this one, mimo (also a fan of 3r2).
Personally, I've never cared for it. If the lapel is rolling to the second button anyway, then the top button just seems kind of superfluous to me. Just seems like a 2 button suit with a third button on top for show. Really hard for me to imagine how this makes the suit in any way more elegant than a normal 2 button suit.
^ In the interest of full disclosure, I am seriously considering getting every suit and odd jacket I order from now on with only one button. I figure if I don't like it, I can always have additional buttons / buttonholes put in.
Isn't there a different buttoning point for a single button jacket, therefore, wouldn't the buttoning point be off if you added a 2nd one? Never owned a single button jacket, so just a guess.
The button that is actually being used, whether it be in a 3r2, 2 button or 1 button should be at pretty similar points I believe to preserve the fit and lines of the jacket. I may use a slightly lower buttoning point for a 1 button jacket, but we're probably talking about 0.5 inches or so. I can't imagine the difference being that dramatic.
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