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Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Jan 6, 2014.

  1. TweedyProf

    TweedyProf Distinguished Member Dubiously Honored

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    There are probably few fields where books matter, mostly in the humanities, say English or History. Not in the natural sciences or social sciences.

    I've lost track of who are academics besides you two, unbelraggazo and Academic2. I'm not surprised that there are so few here on Style Forum. Academics, if they dress carefully at all, seem to be OCBD, possibly a sportscoat, and chinos (that would be dressy). Very few ties; almost no pocket squares. And very badly fitting clothes. OCBD and jeans is more common.

    I started dressing more carefully in part to introduce formality into my relation to students who, in the US, seem to be assuming much more familiarity with me as a working assumption. Too many "hey dude" emails! Still, I do standout on campus, if only for well-tailored clothes and a square. At this point, I'm taking it as a mission to get my colleagues to take things a bit more seriously: one occupies a certain position that I think in the end is better served by more formality in dress.
     


  2. SeaJen

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    Engineered systems, although I have moved into socio-technical systems in the last few years.
     


  3. SeaJen

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    Social distance is always tricky. I sense that it is more of a problem in the US than elsewhere.
     


  4. The Noodles

    The Noodles Skid Fu

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  5. TweedyProf

    TweedyProf Distinguished Member Dubiously Honored

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    Yes...I don't think this is nearly as much of a problem in Germany, where I've spent some time. But that system is also rather medieval.

    Some of it is tied to entitlement. People in the US pay a lot for an education with tuition now nearly $50,000 in some places. Parents and students thinks this earns them automatically good grades...it's a puzzling thing.
     


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    +1 to sticking out at my department (and most likely on campus as well). But one of the nice side effects of being a fully tenured professor is that I can dress pretty much as I want. And if someone comments on it I can always play the "quirky professor" card - there are certainly enough of them on campus so one more won't make a difference to anyone :D
     
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  7. Academic2

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    Yes. Faculty members are role models for students, not just sources of information. If we want students to take the intellectual life seriously (and the consequences to civilization if they do not aren’t trivial) we need to comport ourselves in a manner that projects our seriousness of purpose and the dignity of the profession. Of course that’s not limited to dress, but it does include it.

    Cheers,

    Ac
     


  8. SeaJen

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    Indeed. While we (the institution) 'sell' an education, the student believes he is buying a diploma. The differences reflect the value we respectively attribute to each.
     


  9. TweedyProf

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    I think it is a very reasonable assumption that my student's don't make: formal address, at least initially, is a sign of respect.

    I don't care so much being addressed as "Prof" or "Dr" and in the old days (e.g. 3 years ago), I asked them to address me by my first name; but I realized that this ready informality is often a sign of something less than seriousness on their part. I don't serve them well by encouraging it. So, I've become more formal about it as a way of instilling in them that there are divisions and formal relations in life. One does not present well by ignoring them.

    Recently a new student asked me what days my classes will be held on (addressing me by my first name in an email). Um...part of life is making the right impression so how did this go for you? [Hint: you can find this information yourself].
     


  10. TweedyProf

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    That's a good quirky...not the slovenly, unkempt, unshaved, pipe quirky!

    Still, aside from a pocket square, I am puzzled that a coat and tie should be seen by colleagues as quirky. The state we've come to. [God, I'm sounding like an old man!]
     
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    Just start each course with a little Sidney Poitier film clip and they will get it....
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  12. in stitches

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    I will trade styfo poasts for neckties.
     


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    Interesting.
    I manage a team of accountants who are under 30 years old (I am 32 [​IMG]). Anyhow, I am a very easy going guy and easy to get along with. And I even joke with them and even play pranks on them. But once I put on my manager hat, they know it and the horse playing [​IMG] stops. It is a fine line that managers have to walk, or in you all's case as professors, in order to keep the workplace, or classrooms, professional. With that, I like to say that there is an employee on vacation and I just put tape underneath his mouse, put his desk phone ringer volume all the way up, and put tape over his phone (the talking end). [​IMG]
     
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  14. TweedyProf

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    I think you could trade poasts for Formosas, given how much you've got in the bank!
     


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