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Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Jan 6, 2014.

  1. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    Lol, but yes. I know that "Great Walls" have become a bit of a thing, but I don't believe that people actually get dressed for them. Its more of a meme than anything else.

    I mean, don't get me wrong, it's always awesome when you can get any kind of backdrop that adds to the visual appeal of a fit pic, but I think that that is about it. Its nice when you have it, and I am sure that when people happen upon excellent backdrops, they do intentionally take pictures there, but I don't think that they actually get dressed with that intent.
     
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  2. JubeiSpiegel

    JubeiSpiegel Senior member

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    I had a response in the spirit of playing devil's advocate, but remembered that i don't care either way... :bored:
     
  3. Claghorn

    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I wish I could wear Yohji and not feel like a fraud.
     
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  4. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    You could. Also, such great timing. This was just posted in MC WAYWRN LolololollOOLOLOLolllololOLOLOL
     
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  5. sugarbutch

    sugarbutch Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Errbody like a good wall. Errbody.
     
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  6. SeaJen

    SeaJen Senior member

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    No dark sarcasm in the classroom (quite the opposite of my own teaching style, then)
     
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  7. Coxsackie

    Coxsackie Senior member

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    Great discussion. Bear with me while I attempt to crystallise my opinion on this with some examples.

    1. Thinks very hard about colours, textures, style, cut, fit. Drops 2-3 large on components. Stands in front of wall.

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    Result: looks like Cary Grant.


    2. Thinks very hard about colours, textures, style, cut, fit. Drops 2-3 large on components. Stands in front of wall.

    [​IMG]

    Result: looks like Charlie Chaplin.


    Personally, I'd rather look like Cary Grant.
     
  8. jaywhyy

    jaywhyy Senior member

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    The Cary Grant idoltry on this board is odd, especially considering most here fawn over softer, Italian tailoring. If someone posted a fit that actually was Cary Grant-esque, most would call it woefully dated.

    Braddock's fit is not Cary Grant-esque at all.

    On the topic of CM vs SWD, CM is akin to artwork before mid-19th century, with its focus on representation, ratios, and the like; SWD is more post-mid-19th century, where those things took a backseat. The audience divide is similar, too; most people, like me, consider SWD and modern art to be rather ugly, but I guess I can understand their goals.
     
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  9. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    1) independently of whether or not I like Braddock's fit, nothing about it says Cary Grant to me

    2) the starting point for every point directed at you in this discourse was to make it less about what you would want to wear or look like.
     
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  10. YRR92

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    Cox,

    You might get a little more out of reacting against that. Like, if you hate it so much, put the same energy into making how you dress even less like how he's dressed.

    But really, CM goes in for the idea of "objective" aesthetics in a way SWD doesn't seem to, in my limited experience. So, if you think there's an objective standard of dress, and that Braddock meets it in a way the other gent (whose name has slipped my mind) doesn't, then you're not as much of an outlier as a SWD poster who were to think that the second pic met an objective standard, and Braddock's didn't.
     
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  11. Murlsquirl

    Murlsquirl Senior member Moderator

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    EDIT: Unbel beat me to it....what he said.
     
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  12. cyc wid it

    cyc wid it Senior member

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    Is he CM's version of Sinnedk?
     
  13. ridethecliche

    ridethecliche Senior member

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    Who, cox? Nah. He actually dresses well.
     
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    cyc wid it Senior member

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    I see you failed to refute the other aspects...
     
  15. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    The funniest part of all this to me is that Cox's MC posts are closer to SWD in their loudness, and often outre components, than almost any other regular MC poster, save Tira. As a matter of fact, I can think of very few Cox fits that resemble that Braddock fit at all (not a dis, just that is not his style at all as I see it).

    If that Braddock fit is really how you want to look, and I gather that intellectually you say you do, but emotionally I think you dont, than you should expend more energy and thought into looking like that, and less energy and thought in going out of the way to hate on SWD, as it seems that in the end, you dont really care to understand or appreciate it. Rather, you quite emphatically point out that you DONT want to look like that. Which is fine, no one is forcing you to look like, but considering how staunch you are on the subject, all points lead me to think that any further efforts to try and "explain" it would be efforts in futility.
     
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  16. ridethecliche

    ridethecliche Senior member

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    Hey man, stop trying to throw me into the fire!

    Cox is great though. It's certainly a pretty big difference between the two genre's. I don't really 'get' SWD sometimes, like.... I thought that diniro fit was cool but it didn't make me fall out of my chair in awesomeness. People like different aesthetics, but I can appreciate that one. It's just not how I would choose to look, but I appreciate that he chooses that look.

    Even that took some time to come around to.
     
  17. Coxsackie

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    Braddock's fit doesn't really look like Cary Grant, so I kind of failed there; I quoted that name for the simple reason that CG is indeed a kind of demigod on this side of SF.

    But the diniro fit I've been criticising does indeed remind me of Chaplin as the Little Tramp.

    Let's clear up another few points. Yes, it's a given that I don't want to look like that. What may not be clear is that I have no objection at all to the existence of diniro's fit or his right to post it on SWD. The only reason I raised the subject was because I was flabbergasted at the number of thumbs it got.

    I tried to draw a parallel with modern "classical" music (i.e. music written in the last hundred years for Western orchestral instruments). As a keen amateur muso, I have a specialised view of that field, which enables me to listen to and appreciate works that would sound plain ugly to the untrained ear. I gave some examples. I also find that some of it is rubbish, and that is the crux of my analogy. Given sufficient time and incentive, I could explain to a musically-uninformed person why Henri Dutilleux is a better composer than Pierre Boulez, and I could do it without resorting to vague sweeping generalisations about "emotional impact" and "subjectivity".

    Extending that analogy, I believe one of the reasons Boulez is so overrated as a composer, is that he is such a good conductor/organiser/bandleader. His reputation in one field has leaked over into another. People are in awe of him and assume that everything he turns his hand to will benefit from his Midas touch.

    Pliny made a subtle point earlier - that perhaps everyone was a little more keen than usual to thumb diniro's fit because it incorporated a Junya Watanabe piece, and Junya is really famous and cutting-edge, so everything he does must be great, right?

    Now, if you feel that I'm opening myself up to a criticism of "not seeing the bigger picture" by pointing this out (and hey, I did specifically diss out those pents, didn't I), let me point out to you that I'm doing the exact opposite. I'm looking at the big picture, and I'm seeing a guy wearing a Little Tramp outfit, and I'm still left scratching my head over all those thumbs.
     
  18. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    I can assure you that he did not amass thumbs because he was wearing a Junya piece. That would be akin to stating that an MCer got a ton of thumbs because he was wearing Kiton.

    Tons of people have Junya pieces, and every other high end brand out there. People post fits that are probably well into the 4 digits of clothing value and get little love if the fit is bad. SWD is pretty consistent in that. Good fits (by SWD standards) get thumbs, bad ones dont, Regardless of brands being worn. Not only that, I have seen plenty of posters with fits that get 60 or more thumbs post other fits that get 10 or less. It has to be appreciated as a good fit there to get thumbs.

    Aside, the number is also even more staggering to you because MC fits never get near 100 thumbs, its unheard of, while in SWD, while its on the rare side, it is a feat that has been accomplished many times, and 60-80 thumbs fits appear a number of times a month.

    In any case, the fit does not appeal to you, and probably many others, and on the other hand, it does appeal to a great number of people. So it is. Not really much else to say besides that at this point if you ask me.
     
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  19. EliodA

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    FTFY. [​IMG]

    Seriously though, from what I see on SWD I do get the impression that it's a lot about brand name dropping. On CM there's a fair amount of posters who don't post brand names, on SWD that never seems to happen. Then again, I only occasionally lurk there, so I may be mistaken.
    I do think that Pliny's point as quoted by Cox above, could be playing quite an important role...
     
  20. cyc wid it

    cyc wid it Senior member

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    It has little if anything to do with the fact that he's wearing Junya. Does the photography/background/poster reputation have something do with it? A little. But to the point, people post 5 figure fits that get no love... whether it's because they are poorly executed or poorly photographed. People get dumped on hard too for end of season reject pile sale kops due to "brand name".
     
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