indeed, but its still a solid hour plus each way for me. not really very realistic for me. --- thanks for all the answers, guys. i have 2 pairs of their pants, summer wool and khakis, and they are hella slim in the thighs and harrow at the opening. hence my inquiry. the legs and thighs in MFs pic look waaaay to slim for me, his SP suit looks 100 times nicer imo. i could never look good in pants that slim.