Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Jan 6, 2014.

  1. conradwu

    conradwu Affiliate Vendor Affiliate Vendor

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    How can you hate knits?!
     
  2. sugarbutch

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    Whew. 600+ posts. Noodles, you cray cray.
     
  3. in stitches

    in stitches Kung Joo Moderator

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    i just wish i could find knits that were wider. not a fran of the super skinny knits i generally find.
     
  4. mimo

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    This is one reason I like you so much. SF-orthodoxy is one thing, but it's also important to keep some individuality. I think we all know what classic CBD or muted tweeds and madders look like, and love them both, but sometimes it's nice to be a dick for its own sake, isn't it?

    I've no idea what he is either, but glad the repeated Panta-pushes got you some turnover. I love your stuff, and it's great to be able to recommend from experience a product that is born of a small businessman's creativity. Should have sorted out a commission arrangement first. :)

    Yes I did. But it was in a dream. There's a strong scriptural precedent for that kind of thing so I think Stitchy should consider it.

    Now here's the thing: no. Well, yes, kind of, if that's your thing. But although we all have a lot of similar ties, and plenty of overlap in our "top 25" or whatever recommendations, it's never going to be one perfect list. Firstly, I have to disagree about the whole black knit/black grenadine thing. It's very trendy at the moment, and that jaded picture of Sean Connery in one on every iGent blog in the universe is really getting a bit tired. Not that it's horrible, but it's a fashion of the moment, just like it was back in the sixties. And it would be entirely inappropriate for Noodles' needs, being a casual and absolutely non-classic choice.

    I am of the stuffy opinion that black ties are for funerals. Which doesn't really matter, because it's only my choice. What might matter more is that I suspect most non-SF types also associate black ties with funerals and would find it an odd choice for workwear. The knit might be obviously so informal as to be something else, but still. What is more important, I think, is that Noodles is in an environment where by his own insistence, he has very little wiggle room within the CBD milieu. The repps he has are as bold as he'll ever need, the solids are at the dull end we've established, and pin dots just one step up. So the neats are his saviour. Sure, he can probably get away with a shantung or a grenadine and should, but iGent black ties and floppy knits just don't belong in his "top 25".

    As for Jungle, though, with his more casual needs...knitted ties and sports jackets are definitely a pretty match, even though knits will eventually drift out of fashion again. I'd say a grenadine is more enduring, style-wise, but those floppy knits are a pleasure for me too, I can't deny.

    Anyway, brilliant assessment of why 25 is all most people should ever need. And I suspect even those of us who have more, maybe many more, probably only have about that number that we really want to wear at the moment.
     
  5. Claghorn

    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    "How can you hate knits?!" - CW

    This x 2. Expect a PM about some of yours (for some reason, I can't order to Korea through your website).

    I agree with ya Stitch. 3 inches is pushing it. 3.5 would probably be a bit much. I have two at 3.25 which are perfect, but most are 3 from Yount. I have a 2.75 from Wang which I'll wear. And a 1.5 from Rag n Bone which I won't.

    Mimo, the 25 could ensure there is plenty for anybody for a long time. Of course everyone's 25 is different, but trying to create a general 25 is a fun exercise. Rudals could move into academia, start wearing linen suits, and be fine with most of those.

    I agree on the black, but as you said, it's good for funerals. And those happen. However, I'm replacing it with a midnight blue grenadine as it can fulfill the same function with some added versatility.
     
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  6. mimo

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    By the way, on the affiliate recommendation thing: just like Noodles needs the Panta neats in his life, I think Jungle might benefit from a rapid introduction to the Yellow Hook...there's some textured, sports-jacket-friendly goodness right there.
     
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    How wide? Wu has knits 7.5 cm wide. Most are sold out though
     
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    JRD,
    I don't know where you got this picture, but it cracked me up again this morning. LOL
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    Jungle (and others)

    Did I see a solid navy in the mix? Given your patterned sports jackets, this wool navy shetland might be something to consider given your more country vibe (on sale too and SF Family too):

    http://www.exquisitetrimmings.com/products/Ties/Navy-Handrolled-Woven-Shetland-Wool-Tie.html

    You take off about 17% for VAT though that covers a bit over shipping. Don't know if Shaya has thrown in an SF code yet. Not deep enough into the discount season perhaps.
     
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    By the way, know that if we order from the affiliated vendors that we get discounts IF you put in the discount code at the time of your purchase. Please grab the codes and get your discounts!
     
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    But for funerals, a knit is conversely rather casual. I have a navy knit, for the same reason as your new grenadine I think. And have always had a boring plain silk black tie for mourning. And I agree, the 25 is fun. Maybe I'll get around to it. :)

    Shaya's affiliate thread has weekly special SF deals - I guess on hold right now as there is already an incredible sale on (can't wait for my package...). What's more, he will give a special SF discount and offer special deals at any point - even after you've already placed the order. Yellow Hook also applies the SF discount post-order, so it's always worth a PM to enquire. That's the cool thing about the small SF vendors: you're dealing with an individual, and can talk straight to the boss. I can attest from personal experience that both ET-Shaya and Yellow Hook-Rob are responsive, accommodating and as helpful as can be. Bar one delayed shipment with Howard Yount (and that turned out great in the end), I've never had a dealing with an affiliate here that wasn't exemplary - Henry Carter, Shibumi, Conrad Wu, Kent Wang and Panta as mentioned previously, all spring to mind as well.
     
  12. sugarbutch

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    mimo. You are wrong about the black knit and grenadine. That is all.
     
  13. mimo

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    Possibly. But you don't have a three piece suit.
     
  14. sugarbutch

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    You are not wrong about that. You know how to cut a man, mimo.
     
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    i dont feel comfortable in any tie less than 3.5 inches. im too broad and any smaller than 3.5 looks lost on my body between the lapels.
     

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