Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Jan 6, 2014.

  1. in stitches

    in stitches Kung Joo Moderator

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    yup, roll a dry cleaners plastic around the folded suit, and good to go.


    plus one. do not like at all, but the CJs were a great kop!
     


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    Hence my reservation on purxhasing it.
    I will need to go back for a nice pair of brown shoes so just thut I looked. Can't wait for the C&Js
     


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    Agree with that and I also don't like how raised/prominent the cap toe line is.
     


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    Thank goodness there is ONE local store in my area that sells C&Js, Carminas, EGs, etc!
    Will at Field Tailoring recommended me to this place. I am so not shopping at a department store anymore.
     


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    Those black oxfords look nice, Nudals. [​IMG]
     


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    Lucky dog. I would be in trouble if I could get my hands on those at a store locally.
     


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    Rudals Senior member

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    Will be giving her the RING in them C&J shoes while wearing this, as mentioned before.
    The pants were tailored to fit me better and it shows! (pic below is before alterations)

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    We want an after photo!! :) PS: congrats on the wife and the shoes.
     
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    Rudals Senior member

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    Thank you.
    I just realized that this thread alone just really upgraded me to another level.
    While I still have growing up to do, I am miles ahead of where I used to be...so I think.

    Anyways, thank you @luv2breformed and I will post whatever pics I can when I can!
     


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    Rudals Senior member

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    Now Clags, please tell me why this pair of shoes sucks.
    Because they're Derbies and do not possess the formality of Oxfords?
    I know price isn't everything and brand name isn't everything but these RLBL were quite pricey.
    Do these suck or are these more for business casual?

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    And where do we even start with this PoS?!

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  11. in stitches

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    :slayer:
    honestly, i like em. they may not be exactly what SF required because they are derby laced, but they dont bother me.
     


  12. luv2breformed

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    I'll state my position, though I'm a newb.

    There once was a rule that balmorals are to be worn with suits and derbies are to be worn with odd jackets. Not sure if this derived from city/county distinction or what.

    Few hold to this rule currently, manton does pretty strongly I think, and I'm not sure who else.

    If one held to this view, then your first pair of shoes would be a sort of contradiction in terms. The are black and sleek indicating formality, while their derby styling would indicate informality. Given this view I think the only place for them would be fairly formal monochrome or close to it odd jacket city type fits. Pretty narrow usefulness.

    However, if one did not hold to this rule, then the fact that they are derbies does not inform their range of uses at all, and they would virtually interchangeable with the c and j you just bought. This is why SB fought so hard that they are fine for you.

    I actually quite like the second pair of shoes from this photo. They seem to be fairly simple brown bals, a CM staple. YMMV
     


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    You're a n00b?!
    RTC is a n00b so hush!

    As for your comments, I can do a side by side comparison with the black derby and C&J oxfords and see how they look, but WHO besides SF forum members would know that oxfords are for suits and formals while derbys are for less formal/business casual.

    As for the brown shoes, I like the color on this but that pair was received with such hate that I had to wonder why. Glad you like them. I love the two tone color on that brown.
     


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    the answer is nobody, but if that were a valid argument, we might as well close the forum. what im saying is, that even within the confines of SF, i dont think its such a big deal.
     


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    Glad you stepped up your shoe game! You'll look excellent for the wedding! Those C&Js look much better than those RLBLs, surely you can see that when comparing them side by side?
    The leather and construction quality should also be much better, meaning that they'll hold up better over time. The last shape is a little more attractive as well.
    Plenty of people outside of SF know the distinction between a derby and an oxford, but very, very few would hold that against you. But then again, plenty of people also wear matching squares and ties, so it's a bit nonsensical to ask whether the average person would know. That would mean you're setting a very low bar for yourself when it comes to dressing.

    Anyway, my main gripe was that you paid a shitload of money for subar quality shoes. Brands such as Carmina or C&J just offer a better value for money.
     
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