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Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Jan 6, 2014.

  1. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    Well, you get about +10 points for carrying around vintage stuff (in this case old literature). Probably cancels out anything else.
     
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  2. thefoxtooth

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    I think this disagreement may be a miscommunication stemming from the fact that Gold Toe makes about 400 kinds of socks.

    I'm referring only to their wool-blend, dress OTC "Windsor" sock. It is maybe a half-millimeter thicker than any other dress sock, and maybe thinner than some. It's only noticeably thinner than the Gammarellis because they are particularly light.

    I think you may be thinking of their gazillion boot/athletic-crossover type socks, which is what they mostly sell at the mall.

    In any case, I'm in complete agreement about not fussing with the socks too much, which is the reason I wear Gold Toes. Nobody can tell the difference, including me.
     
  3. sprout2

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    Ah, that clarifies everything. I thought they made one kind of sock.
     
  4. thefoxtooth

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    I'm certainly not gonna start a war about it; honestly if money were no object I would just get barrelfuls of Bresciani and Gammarelli, and throw them out whensoever I felt a loss of zing.

    But since money is an object, I'm just telling folks I haven't had any pilling or sagging problems with any of my synthetic-infused socks (which I did choose carefully, I must say). I'm not sure of the content of either the Toe d'Or or Land's End. I would guess they are at the very least 80% wool. I have had occasional sagging problems with my high-end pure wool socks, though. My cheap socks also outlast my expensive ones.

    There is also the consideration that for the price difference, if your Land's Ends start to pill after four-five months, you could simply use them for toilet paper, whip a fresh pair off the roll, and still have a pair or two left over before you've spent as much as one pair of Bresciani. Just sayin'.

    I'm certainly not against people with means buying crazy luxury socks just because they like the feel. Hell, get yourself a pair of ermines and stick your feet up their assholes and walk around like that with a giant crown on. I'm not in a position to throw any stones. But the idea that a good consumer-grade, mostly-wool dress sock is necessarily garbage just isn't true.

    On a side note—not accusing you or anyone in particular—but buying cotton athletic socks with no elastane/Lycra is just some backwards-ass shit. I'm old enough to remember when there were just pure cotton gym sox and pure nylon gym sox, and the cotton ones sucked. SUCKED. Even the pure nylon ones were better. Just in case anyone reading this is wondering about the glory days of pure cotton.
     
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  5. thefoxtooth

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    Well, you did seem to bang on as though I were talking about some sort of North Face Tenzing Norgay Endorsement Model sock. It's a dress sock. It's very slightly thicker than my Italian Papal Endorsement Model sock.

    Not that it really matters. You say tomato, I wear cheap socks occasionally.
     
  6. Isolation

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    HJ Hall socks work quite well for me for non OTC. I think when I want new songs I might try some kent wang ones.
     
  7. Cao Cao

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    Dude~ calm down. I just trolling. And why are you getting all fired up? I was talking to Sir Crust. He and I might not go way back but he is one person that I like and like to joke around with him. Let's agree to disagree.

    By the way, someone commented that I have a heavy guitar. 20 lbs guitar is an exaageration. It's a Taylor 614ce. The amp, however, is an UltraSound (hate the name) DS4 which is about 20 lbs. Add to that all the cables, a mic, and a DI box. It's a good work out for me...being that I am puny little NE Asian.
     
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  8. flvinny521

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    While we're on the topic of socks, I've always bought cotton because I thought that's what I was supposed to do. Being in FL, I assumed they wore cooler than wool, which it seems is incorrect. I'd like to buy three pairs in a staple color to try out, but would rather not spend a fortune in case I don't like them. Is there a "default" that's readily available on Amazon so I can test them out? The only ones I saw that were mentioned here were the Gold Toe wool blends, but the reviews led me to believe they aren't very good quality (or at least, worse quality than the same brand used to sell). Is it still worth picking them up?
     
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    The "traditional" thinking on this matter is that you wear fine wool hose with fine wool suits and that cotton socks are a stopgap measure for summer. However, cotton will of course wear cooler than wool. I don't think you would have much need for them in your arsenal.
     
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    Mama always told me to get the best underwear money could buy.
    I think I still have 10 year old Bresciani socks. I guess if you have enough of a rotation, they won't wear out or develop scuffs. The only ones I had to throw away were ones from when I lived in a hotel room for 3 months and was rinsing them in the sink and blowdrying them dry <--- don't ask.

    The Palatinos, Gammarellis, Marcolianis, et al became brittle by comparison. I will say that Palatino is the better of the bunch, but there's something anatomically wrong with the way the heels are linked. I think they feed too much material into the heel, so it doesn't cup the foot properly. You get a weird elephant ear bubble -- this is on sized socks.
     
  11. Isolation

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    I honestly don't want to engage with this anymore, but I need to speak up so there is at least an indication that not everyone is okay with these things. It's NOT about you joking with upr_crust, it's about you making a joke at the expense of women perpetuating an extremely dangerous idea that is used to excuse dismissive behavior towards women the world over.

    I can't speak for upr_crust, but as a queer person, I'm more than aware of the way many straight guys play sides with us. On one hand you'd say to a gay man, hey at least you ain't got no periods and don't have to deal with women bs, and on the other you say to straight women, at least you're feminine not like those lesbos these days, etc etc etc. You're forcing us into playing respectability politics, become the model minority, focus our discontent on other oppressed groups, and take it out on them. The asian will buddy up say to the white person, at least I am civilized like you not like the black people, and the black people may have a round of drinks with one and say, at least I am a real man, not like those feminine asians, etc etc, in fact maybe that's why your obsession with masculinity and berating other asian men for not having it, because that way you can distance yourself from them, playing right into the hands I am talking about. Instead of saying "I do what I like, and they do what they like, fuck you, who cares?", you say "yeah I'm with you on that one, what a bunch of fucking pussies, not like me, haha, I'm cool." That's exactly what you sound like.

    I can't wait to hear you say I'm reading too much into this, because there's no way you actually realize what's going on, but that doesn't mean it's not happening.

    You don't have to respond to all this, in fact I'd rather you don't. You're not listening, and I'm not listening, I just feel obligated to put my thoughts out there, like I said, to make it clear that I do NOT think it's okay, and your silly games have a much deeper context than "just joking around".
     
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  12. venividivicibj

    venividivicibj Senior member

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    That was pretty well said
     
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  13. Koala-T

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    I wear relatively thick wool socks year round in south central Texas, and it's not the least bit uncomfortable, and I'm a pretty sweaty guy, at least when I'm active. I also never understood the point of the hose-style sock, the thin little whispy silk or wool socks that are basically just light liners. May as well go barefoot. But I'll also admit to never having actually given them a fair shake by trying them out for a month or so.

    @Isolation , I hear you, buddy. I generally tend to think we should refrain as much as possible from discussing anything but clothing with each other, because when the subject of women or homosexuality or politics comes up, someone is inevitably going to say something horrible, given enough time and then we have no choice but to speak up, rather than let that ugliness linger in the "room".

    That said, I like Noodles, and I don't think he's a bad guy on the whole, but I've accepted that even people I like are going to say something awful at some point.
     
  14. Isolation

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    Right, I really don't want to argue further though I don't think it's fair to deny noodles the right to defend himself. All I am saying is if noodles drops it and doesn't say anything overtly out of line I'm going to stay out of his way and be polite. I'm okay to agree to disagree if you don't trumpet it in a way that calls for comment.
     
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    No one ever answered my question. I'm legitimately concerned about this.
    I thought it would be good for boarding planes and having a bare minimum of things on my person.
     
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  17. Patrick R

    Patrick R Senior member

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    And with that one line, you've summarized the entirety of his performance on the forum.
     
  18. skeen7908

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    I read that Isolation post three times and still can't make any sense of it


    Seems at worst he is self-deprecating (as a heterosexual male) to show some bonhomie to a homosexual fellow-make

    Who is being oppressed here?

    Women? Or homosexuals?
     
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  19. Koala-T

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    Women.
     
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  20. venividivicibj

    venividivicibj Senior member

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    FWIW... The post you quoted could have been edited. But either way... What is the point in continuing this subject? Isolation has said his piece, and Noodles has said he is done as well
     
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