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Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Jan 6, 2014.

  1. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    I've been using Hemrajani for awhile, so I go and look at swatches for the most part. Most of my purchases were rational, "I have a hole in my wardrobe and could use this" sort of things. Between having a decent assortment of tan and grey trousers, I wasn't super worried about matching most things with trousers. I usually try to be pretty objective about what new items I could use and come in with a sense of what I want. I'll also look at some other swatches and file them away for future purchases if I decide I could use a jacket like that after thinking it over for a couple months.

    My two big mistakes were a grey herringbone sport coat (one of the first two things I bought when revamping my wardrobe a few years ago) and a black and white houndstooth with a cashmere-esque feel (bought via impulse via email after seeing the swatch elsewhere in person). I like to think I've learned from these, so now I try to be pretty targeted and think things over a lot beforehand.
     
  2. kulata

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    He is a nutcase.
    [Spoiler ]I'm better at hiding my love of blue [/spoiler ]
     
  3. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    ^ Well, we are all here spending way too much time talking about clothes. We're all slightly nuts.
     
  4. lordsuperb

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    Nice, what's your plan of action for the next couple of purchases? I feel like I'm in a good spot with 8 suits and 3 sc with 2 more on the way. I plan on spacing out my projects over a 2 or 3 year period so I can enjoy my clothes. The next sc will be the highly controversial purple sport coat.
     
  5. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    @lordsuperb, I've been finding myself embracing a bit more of a casual but elegant look this year, so I'm more focused on sport coats than suits. I have a SB navy suit from BB in a somewhat eh cloth that I might replace with a 12-13 ounce navy birdseye as part of the 1 in 1 out part. Other than that, I'm thinking about a medium green (bit lighter than forest) tweed (debating between Donegal, a nice herringbone or potentially something with an overcheck) odd jacket and that brown with navy overcheck odd jacket made from Moonbeam. I'll probably do the sport coats before the suit. I suspect the houndstooth sport coat I mentioned will be the one getting dumped from the rotation to make way for one of the aforementioned sport coats.
     
  6. Claghorn

    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Does that mean I'll buy less blue jackets after the vasectomy?
     
  7. archibaldleach

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    Only if you get your vasectomy at the same time you completely run out of storage space for your clothes.
     
  8. The Noodles

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    I know a lot wishes ill upon me but since we're talking kids, my wife bought a test kit just in case. She wants 4 kids so we need to start at dome point.
     
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  9. losrockets

    losrockets Senior member

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    8 sportcoats: 3 blue (navy or dark blue), 3 brown, 2 green (one olive, one green)
    0 suits but buying a new one from Spier & Mackay soon, just sold my previous suits because they no longer fit
    17 dress trousers: 5 cotton or linen-cotton blends (all shades of tan/cream), 3 brown wool (with or w/o pattern), 1 taupe wool, 1 olive melange, the rest are varying shades of gray (mostly solids). This doesn't include the 4 that I'm selling or retiring due to wear or lack thereof.

    Noodles no ill wishes toward you from me, or probably most others on here, I think that you've helped start useful discussions, people just don't like the flare up today and how it played out, and may just be annoyed by your picnic attacks.
     
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  10. Patrick R

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    Tweed? I have tweed fabric waiting to be made up for a grey herringbone SC. I'm surprised that isn't more useful for you.
     
  11. archibaldleach

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    No. It was an 11 ounce or so wool / cashmere blend from Holland and Sherry. Basically the issue is that the more subtle herringbone texture does not provide sufficient contrast with grey flannel trousers. There's some contrast with light grey flannel, but I don't care for medium grey on top of light grey much. That and I made one dumb and one sub-optimal styling choice, peak lapels and flapped pockets respectively. I can see a nice grey Donegal or salt and pepper herringbone tweed being a bit more useful once you have a decent rotation, but I think it's the roughness of the tweed that makes it work.
     
  12. Patrick R

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    Agreed entirely.
     
  13. mimo

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    Two famously difficult items to wear, according to SF: navy trousers and grey jackets.

    They are great together, though - especially when the jacket has some texture e.g. herringbone...
     
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  14. Coxsackie

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    A word about dispute resolution.

    So there's this customer "N", who buys an online sprodget from e-retailer "G". It's the fourth sprodget he's bought, and as these sprodgets are made in Davos, they're not cheap, so actually over the years N has dropped a fair bit of coin with G and thus feels kind of entitled.

    The first three sprodgets were totally on the money, really winkley. But the fourth, well, its gudgels are off whack. Now N doesn't realise this at the time, he just thought the finkelsteins needed scrudging, so he takes the sprodget to a scrudgemonger who re-scrudges the finkelsteins just fine. But hey, when N finally presses the sprodget into service, it now it becomes obvious that the real problem all along was with the gudgels. So N sozers the gudgels and realises that they are in fact the wrong gudgels. The sprodget still functions well, but its winkelsworth is slightly off, as judged by thumbs and comments on SprodgeForum.

    So N asks for a money-back return from G, but this is outside G's terms of trade because (a) the finkelsteins have now been irreversibly scrudged, (b) the sprodget has been used several times, and (c) it's not G's damn fault that the gnomes up at Davos got their gudgelabels mixed up. Besides, this N character keeps bad-mouthing G on SprodgeForum, and more recently has started to make veiled threats of beagle action.

    From N's point of view, it's easy to understand why he's aggrieved. He has invested a lot of emotional capital in upping his sprodget game. It's good for his self-image, and makes him feel sharp at work to have such well-sozered sprodgets at his fingertips. After some careful and conservative purchases, N decided to lash out on a much more adventurous sprodget, one that would establish him as a true mensch among sprodget shmendriks. This was an emotional investment. It was never about the money, it was about N's sense of self-worth, which has now been undermined by the awful realisation that he's once again made an expensive mistake. Which really wasn't his fault.

    But it wasn't G's fault either, and unlike N, G has no emotional investment in this particular sprodget. He does, however, have an emotional investment in his business, and in the professionalism with which he runs that business, and the public perception of that professionalism, all of which he fears is starting to be undermined by the apparent intransigence and persistent and very public whining of customer N.

    OK, that's the set-up. (And what a great set-up it is. Eat jabberwocky, Mr Carroll.) Now let's have a look at the real issues at play, from both sides.

    (1) N: feels aggrieved because he paid good money for a sprodget which turned out to be incorrectly gudgelled, significantly reducing its winkelsworth. The problem can't easily be fixed and so N has paid a hefty sum for damaged goods which make him feel bad every time he presents them in public. The exact opposite of what should have happened.

    How best to remedy the tort? Why, easy. If N could simply obtain a replacement sprodget with the correct gudgel specs, his problem would be over. Now, he could simply go and buy one. But that would be very expensive. And why should he spend yet more money, just to get what he honestly believed he was going to receive in the first place?

    (2) G: feels aggrieved because he runs a good, ethical business which offers amazing products, including a very fine line in sprodgets which he specifically sourced with his own exhaustive research, travelling the world until he finally located and cut a deal with a particularly skilled enclave of artisanal gnomes in far-flung Davos. He's promoted these sprodgets and built an impressive niche business out of it. Everyone loves these sprodgets, except for this one mofo N who keeps whingeing. Dammit, N has acquired three superb sprodgets and hugely increased his status both at work and on Sprodgeforum. OK, so the fourth one was a little off, G has bent over backwards to make amends, but he can't outright waive his terms of trade just because N is making a lot of noise online. That wouldn't be fair to his other clients, and besides, it would involve refunding a large sum of money.

    OK folks, can you see where I'm heading with this? It's all very emotional, yes. And one might assume that can't be fixed. But actually it can. N's sense of aggravation would dissipate rapidly if he simply received a full refund. And G's sense of wounded pride at this attack upon his professional image would similarly dissipate if N just stopped whingeing and having online picnic attacks and making beagle threats.

    What's standing between these two solutions? Why, about US$2200. That is, the cost of a Davos sprodget.

    Seems to me there's a very simple solution. Meet half-way. G offers a 50% discount to N on his next purchase of a Davos sprodget. And N agrees to sign a deed of release which includes a "gag" clause. Neither party is allowed to make any comment as to the specifics of the settlement, other than to say how happy they are with the outcome. End of story.

    Gentlemen, you may now resume your PM negotiations.
     
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  15. venividivicibj

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    Gag clause is pointless if the thing already out and has already been rehashed 20 times though.
     
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  16. Coxsackie

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    Disagree. As long as the public knows an agreement was reached, the whole thing starts to fade from memory. But if I were G, I'd be insisting on that gag clause to prevent adverse publicity in the future.
     
  17. Newcomer

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    A few other facts that I believe are particularly relevant. The sprodgets are hand made sprodgets, and G has specifically stated, ad nauseum, that such sprodgets may have different measurements from those posted. Accordingly, buyers are on notice that there are variances among the sprodgets, and take that into consideration when buying the sprodgets.

    Second, G is an online sprodget oferror, who offers sprodgets that were, until recently, generally not purchased sight unseen. As a result, buyers must be knowledgeable enough to know the risks associated with buying something that has variances sight unseen.
     
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  18. The Noodles

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    Meaningless, meaningless, all is meaningless.

    @Coxsackie
    Good reading. I am surprised that I was able to fully understand what you were saying, even with those crazy words inserted throughout the post.

    I think a fair discussion should be allowed in public and I should not be told to shut up. This, as long as we keep it clean.

    I commend David Reeves for dealing with GuP in the way that he did. @GuP Please remind the folks what @David Reeves did when you brought your problem to him.
     
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  19. Coxsackie

    Coxsackie Senior member

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    I suppose my main point was this: the most effective way to resolve any commercial dispute is to monetise it, and then agree on the figure.
     
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  20. Monkeyface

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    Noodles is good at ninja edits, we know that. He's already done so at the request of Greg.

    Once a deal has been reached, noodles can edit his posts calling shenanigans and threatgening legal remedies, and Greg can edit his posts calling Noodles a lying, mismeasuring, bad picture angle taking, intentional charge backer

    Problem solved!

    Now, what kind of shoes would one wear with a brown flannel suit? Dark brown chukkas?
     
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