Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Jan 6, 2014.

  1. Monkeyface

    Monkeyface Senior member

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    Yeah, that might help, but it's more of an issue of your hips looking wider than your shoulders. Losing weight in the waist won't change that issue. Anyways, localised weight loss is impossible, so I'm sure you'll lose some weight in the hips as well.

    Good luck with the weight loss!! I just lost a little over 8lbs in the past month myself, so I know how hard it can be! Actually, it's not terribly hard once you're past the first week. Just cut all sugars, most carbs and continue to exercise. Keep eating lots of proteins like chicken breast to preserve any muscle you may have.

    One thing that helped most for me was intermittent fasting. Basically, I would eat every other day. One day I wouldn't eat anything, and the other I'd eat as much as I like, as long as it's mostly protein, low carb and no sugars. The day you can eat you'll only eat slightly more than normal, not nearly enough to make up for the day you didn't eat. You'll end up with about a 6000kcal deficit a week, meaning you'll lose about 2 pounds of fat a week.

    It sounds extreme, but the hunger subsides completely after a couple of hours, and you'll save loads of time by not having to prepare or eat any food. It gives you a sort of clarity of mind and focus, but that might just be a placebo effect. Anyways, it's just much easier than a normal diet, because there's no temptation to snack or 'fall off the wagon'. You know you're not going to eat for that day, so your willpower isn't constantly being tested/depleted during the day.

    Losing weight is really easy this way, and certainly much easier than gaining muscle, which is damn hard.
     
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  2. Newcomer

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    In re the fasting diet, I have utilized that approach to weight loss for years. It is incredibly effective. Personally, I try to fast during the day, and then I portion control my meals, aka, make chicken breast and broccoli. During the day, I occasionally eat fruit, or I eat raw veggies. I feel it makes me very sharp mentally, and I find it is the only way I can lose weight. Especially when I have 2-3 client dinners a week where I binge eat around 3,000+ calories. NOTE, my advice is not the advice of a nutritionist and is likely terrible.

    Also, regarding the Formosa and hippyness--I don't really see it in that picture. I think it looks great. Whatever hippiness there may be, I think it can be attributed to how you are standing. If you look closely, your right shoulder is thrown back, and that has caused your hip to be torqued. Again, I think it looks great, and taking pictures of yourself and hiding all "flaws" is next to impossible, at least for me.
     
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  3. ridethecliche

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    Facepalm.
    This makes my head hurt. 6kcal deficit does not mean 2lbs of fat lost a week. Given the fact that you're essentially starving yourself every other day, you're going to be losing fat and muscle.

    Also, congrats. You lost mostly water weight. What you're doing is basically forcing your body to cannibalize itself and whatever muscle you do have.

    Maintain a 500ish calorie deficit a day while keeping protein high-ish and you lose a pound a week. I think going too far over 500, i.e. in the 750-1k range needs to be worked up to and isn't really sustainable.

    I'll show myself the door now.
     


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    I never said it was good for me :(
     
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    Yeah. Starving yourself all day and then eating one huge meal totally fucks with your hormone and bodies self regulation. I think it's also been implicated in more weight gain over the longer period of time because you fuck up your bodies insulin response.

    I'm not saying this to be a dick, but I really think you guys should talk to someone (like a nutritionist) to get info on this stuff, because some of the things being advocated on here are really really unhealthy.

    Also, it's pretty possible to gain weight and muscle while staying lean. It's just harder because it requires more thoughtful meal timing, control of macros (and timing of macros), and a willingness to bust your ass in the gym. Most people end up just gaining as long as the weights are moving up, and then do a cut when they're content. You definitely lose some muscle, but you can play around with that by doing timing meals properly (i.e. eating more carbs around your workout) and keeping protein high throughout the day.
     
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  6. archibaldleach

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    IMO the key to weight loss is finding sustainable habits to form that are helpful. I've probably dropped a couple inches off my waist in the second half of 2014 by committing to a daily exercise regimen, reducing the amount of junk food I eat and reducing the amount of alcohol I drink. I can't imagine starving myself every other day; I'd last less than a week and fall off track doing that.
     


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    I went back and edited my post to make sure that others know it is pretty terrible advice. It has "worked" for me, but I also could probably use a trip to the nutritionist.
     
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    Genuinely curious--can you cite any actual research to support your statements? There has been a fair amount of research on both continuous calorie restriction and intermittent fasting in animals, less in humans. Since you are involved in medical research, you should have access to this article, for example: Longo VD and Mattson MP, Cell Metabolism 2014;19:181-92. I don't do research in this field or follow these methods myself, so I actually don't have any stake in this. I just happen to think that there are many claims about nutrition that sound plausible on the surface but that are not really backed up by well-conducted research.

    Also bear in mind that a significant proportion of the human population starves themselves all day during the month of Ramadan. I am not aware that there have been documented negative consequences with regards to metabolism, although Ramadan is only a month or so.
     
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  9. The Noodles

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    Starving causes your body to tap into your muscle cells first because it has more energy. Weight loss from starvation will not burn away fat. But I am not going to complain about anything since I finally lost my man boobs.

    My routine has been eat a nice solid breakfast in the morning, cut out lunch completely, and eat something light like chicken breast or sweet potatoes for dinner. Then go to a field and sprint and walk for about 45 minutes. I really need to add shoulder/arm/sqaut workout.
     
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  10. Monkeyface

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    You don't eat one huge meal. You simply fast that day, or have one small meal of 500kcal of mostly veggies and protein, the next day you just eat as normal, spread out over the day, so that would be around 2500kcal for me. You don't go on a binge fest of cakes and icecream. You just eat veggies, chicken, eggs, etc. All healthy stuff.

    There still needs to be lots more research into intermittent/alternate day fasting, but so far the results have been tentatively positive. It has been proven to extend the lifespan in animals, and lots of positive effects on cholesterol, disease prevention and losing fat (not body mass!) have been found in animal and human studies. There needs to be more human research, but what I found so far has been good, with no real downsides. I don't feel like looking up all the research again, but just google scholar it or something.

    The diet doesn't work when you binge the next day, but usually I'm not even that hungry the next day. Of course some of the weight loss was water weight, and I'm not really focused on the weight loss, but more on how it looks in the mirror. My lifts have are the same/have improved slightly, so minimal muscle loss, and my body looks noticeable leaner and my trousers are noticeably looser. I even need to bring some to the tailor to take them in. How can that not be a success?

    A normal calorie restriction diet works as well, but it takes so much more will power. I've been trying to cut for 3 months now, but being at the office with food all around you for 12 hours a day just makes that really hard, and I made very little progress. Doesn't the fact that my lifts are the same and I've managed to lose what I've been trying for 3 months in about 5 weeks prove that this diet works for me?

    Also, losing weight using a regular diet was much easier when I was still in college, because it's easier to control what you eat. However, when you're in the office all day everyday willpower really becomes the most important thing. And when you have a job like mine where you need to be focussed for 12 hours straight, no lunch break and sometimes not even time to go to the bathroom, so there won't be much willpower left when you walk past that machine full of snacks near the end of the day.

    I eat the other way around. No big meals for dinner, and no carbs. I hate having a big meal right before going to bed, so lunch is my dinner.

    And don't add a shoulder/squat/arm workout. Just do a full body workout or close to full body one. Squats/Bench/Deadlifts/Barbel Rows/Overhead Press should be your main exercises. You can add in chin ups or pull ups if you like, depending on whether you want to work your back or biceps more, and dips for triceps, but it's not that necessary as a beginner.

    There are plenty of good beginners routines out there, some more balanced than others, and some more focused on powerflifting than bodybuilding. Starting Strength comes to mind, Stronglift 5x5, etc.

    Another thing, your body won't start to metabolise all of your muscle after a 16 hour-24 hour fast. That would've been very inefficient, as back in the good old days humans would go without food for days. It takes at least several days of fasting before your body will start to metabolise protein as its main source. It'll start with the glycogen reserve, then fatfy acids for the next 2-3 days, and then proteins (muscle mass).
     
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  11. sugarbutch

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    europrep, I'm impressed by how clean the backs of your jackets are generally.
     


  12. Monkeyface

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    Yeah, I noticed that as well. Much cleaner than usual for non-bespoke, and the few wrinkles there are are very small. I'm wondering whether Luxire will be able to replicate that.
     


  13. Coxsackie

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    MF is right that there does exist some research favouring fasting. However from memory I believe the most effective routine was complete fasting from 8pm to 12 noon the next day, every day; and no restriction on food between 12 noon and 8pm. (Clearly for best results, one would still avoid sugary/junk food).

    While "evolutionary biology" explanations are often highly speculative, it is worth imagining the situation/s in which the human body evolved. Cave Man didn't have a packet of Corn Flakes to reach for in the morning. More likely, he/she woke hungry and then had to go out and hunt/forage for the day's meal. This would have been secured by about midday; gorging would have followed; then maybe a short afternoon nap, followed by a light nibble on some scraps. Beddytime at nightfall. No alcohol.

    Some days there would have been no wildebeest around, and Cave Man might have gone hungry, or just eaten some nuts and seeds. Physiological mutations conferring improved survival in such circumstances would have flourished in the gene pool.

    As to cannibalising muscle, this can certainly happen. However, instant energy needs are usually met by muscle and liver glycogen, not muscle fibre. Muscle catabolism occurs only once glycogen stores have been used up. Adipose stores can be mobilised at a maximum rate of around 0.5-1kg/week, but actually this still yields a fair bit of replacement glycogen. So I don't think RTC's advice is completely correct. It would depend on both the overall amount, and the rate, of energy used during the fasting period.

    Muscle catabolism involves protein breakdown, yielding ketones as by-products. If you have "ketone breath", your routine is too extreme.
     


  14. Monkeyface

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    Yet again Coxsackie swoops in to save the day. Your knowledge about anything related to medicine is impressive. You should get a custom title or something.

    At the moment I only eat between 11:30 and 19:30, unless I'm taking my girlfriend out to a restaurant, so that's pretty close to noon-8.
     
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  15. The Noodles

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    MF and Cox - THX.

    When I was 170lbs, my routine was to eat a heavy breakfast, light lunch, and skip dinner. I stayed away from sugar and carbs. I walked a lot. Did light weight exercises.

    My routine now...eat whatever. This initially caused me to gain 15 lbs before I said this has to stop. I regained control of my diet but lack of resistance exercise has caused everything to shrink, my arms especially. I am looking to do some squats with my 40 lB's dumbbells. Add curls And push ups.

    This sounds like Groundhog Day post...
     
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