Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Jan 6, 2014.
Can we get a ruling on this?
I am about to just pull the trigger and put myself out of this pain.
Really a pleasure to watch. The tailoring is impeccable and many of the choices, as in the pics, are really quite nice. The fit on everyone's tuxedos in the ball scene is impressive. Much to learn from.
The movie itself is lite fare, but sweet. Firth shines despite the script: a rational man who succumbs to the irrational.
Dude, Noodles, just use the gift card on folks that will appreciate the brand name stuff from Saks like someone suggested earlier.
On JFrat paying in advance:
Well, the interest he's losing isn't much. Probably balanced by the benefit of getting it all out of the way at once (to some preferences). Or this sense of commitment giving him a greater sense of direction (though I don't think this is something he needs)
But I guess there is the risk. Though given such a large order and the very public forum, Luxire would be silly to muck this up it drag it out.
On JFrat going with Liverano and Liverano (or any other high end) to start:
I said this earlier, so I'll be brief:
He'll get greater appreciation of the experience at a place like L&L after really getting comfortable with dressing the way he wants to dress and familiarizing himself with the ins and outs of tailoring. There is also a convenience factor.
And finally...and this is perhaps my favorite thing about JFrat...there is no snob factor in the guy. He'll happily spend a thousand on a pair of shoes, thirty minutes later, message me about a hundred dollar coat he just picked up on eBay, and then go and buy eight ties at a 120 a pop.
Can you tell a non-cinephile which movie those pics are from?
Magic in the Moonlight
I agree that there is no snob factor, and it is incredibly humbling. I respect that he is willing to do that.
I guess this is where I am coming from. I have been on this forum for a long time, and I think everyone has had that period of time, generally the first year or so of membership, where they focus on quantity and ZOMG discounts over quality and rational decisions.
I think there have been many good natured suggestions, I just do not think all of the advice has been great. Personally, I don't see the reason why a person should have to gain an appreciation for fine clothing before going down a certain route.
That is akin to saying, you should live with this Seiko for a year before you buy a Rolex, or Patek, etc.
And I guess it depends on what the "end" of tailoring is for you. I am a hobbyist, so I really do appreciate the experience, and building my way up over the years. But if your "end" is to look good, why should you spend time gaining an appreciation? If you go to a higher end tailor, you are paying for multiple things. I have seen tons of L&L pictures, and I have yet to see a dud. He is not going to let you walk out looking like hell. And they will likely consult frater on fabric, fit, and what they believe he will look best in.
I do not mean any ill will, just providing another perspective.
@Newcomer making a lot of sense
(And a funny new avatar too)
Elio, yeah I think we are on the same page. That red carpet fit is turrble, bit that DC dressing as DC, not as JB, and there is no accounting for most celebrities personal style. A lot of them have no real interest in tailored clothes and only dress that way when they have to, and those that care are pretty hit or miss when it comes to doing it, as we would call it, right.
Yes, you can get that stuff, but I think you would be better off selling the card for 417 and buying a shirt and pants from NMWAs sale.
Will have to see that. CF is generally really really well dressed and an superb actor too boot. Im planning on watching Kingsmen, which looks cheesy as hell, but I know Ill love it, and from the previews his wardrobe looks pretty sweet I think.
I would be willing to bet that if jfrat went to L&L now, and continues on SF, he will be unhappy with the suit within a year.
Embarrassingly, this issue has almost been keeping me up at night. I know I sound a bit angsty. But I just get excited that this board has a member (being jfrater) who could really live out what is a dream for many of us. This is such a cool opportunity, and I really think it is his best option to looking absolutely badass.
Playing 's advocate--do you think that he is going to be happy with the bona fide plethora of Luxire shirts, and Kent Wang suits, and regional bespoke tailoring within a year?
I think that L&L is likely a better option... but that is just my opinion.
No problem, he will get another one. I think that's what @Newcomer 's point is, basically.
Shirts, yeah those were all pretty staple as far as I recall, and as long as the fit is well enough its really nbd with a shirt. KW suits and regional bespoke, likely he will "grow out" of them too, but it will be a much less expensive learning experience.
I think its almost impossible when getting started to end up with stuff that you will love once you are really in the thick of it. For a number reasons. Firstly, you are going to make mistakes with what you ask for, period. Secondly, your taste/style will inevitably evolve and things you thought you like you no longer find yourself liking. You also have no real idea about what cut you like best on your body, or how much drape you like, or lapel size, and the list goes on and on and on.
Thats normal. As such, I would never advise someone to get on the trial and error path with a suit that will run them like close to 5 grand. I think its just dumb. I think that was a terrible idea. In a year or two, sure, why not. Now, I think absolutely not. Just my opinion, based on my own experience, and what I have seen from others who treaded a similar path.
Now, its his life, his money, his call, and if he wants to blow the cash, and then buy more later, thats fine, but I think he should be aware of the very likely outcomes. One of which being that it may be a house cut that he does not like, and if so, there will be no buying more later.
I would at least go to a store and check out the sale inventory. Surely you can find jeans, an overcoat/jacket, sweater or shirts that you would use a lot. Given they carry Isaia, Cucinelli, Coreliani, etc...you should find something.
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