Claggy hates shiny ties. I think they are an acceptable option with a business suit. If you already owned them, at least a couple would be passable, maybe even all. But look through the tie joy in this thread, man. These ties say "I settled for...". Don't buy shit just because it's there (I need to learn this too, we all do it...) Get your Hober on. Or Vanda or whatever. There is a lot of decent value out there, and three beauties in the Drake's sale or Cappelli's outlet or Hober's minimum spec, are going to live a lot longer in your heart and wardrobe than ten "almosts" off eBay. Think on.