Stupid work got in the way of responding for a while, and the thread has moved on, so this is more to say thanks for the feedback Word. Will go with this type of more substantial shoe with future fits in the realm of this one. Need some actual chinos/brown pants of some sort too. Wondering It wouldn't be fun if there wasn't an element of personal taste in all of it. I do think it's better in the first fit for sure - and context is everything. But I appreciate the rundown of what made it tough on your lookers. I do find it's a difficult tie to actually choose to put on, and more than agree that it's a spring/summer affair by its very nature. Polarizing piece of cotton! Yep, makes sense to me. A lot more going on in the new one though I'm not sure exactly where the contrast was in relation to the first fit, since effectively they are both blue shirt and navy jacket. Interesting! Confirmation bias fistbump!