Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Jan 6, 2014.

  1. mdancel

    mdancel Well-Known Member

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    I'm looking at ordering some MTM shirts and was hoping to use this shirt as a starting point. Any GNA on what I should change to improve the fit and the shape of collar?

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  2. jcmeyer

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    In terms of the shoes, what would you consider ideal? I do have nicer shoes but with the informality of the pants i chose what seemed most likely to work.

    Funny the tie is so eye-gouge inducing! This is a flip flop on feedback I'd gotten before on SF for this same tie, so I'm interested to see what you think of it in the context below where it first surfaced.

    Do you think the difference is:
    A) Other folks liked it and you don't - simply a matter of personal taste
    B) The context of how it was worn - with a navy suit and light blue gingham shirt
    C) The photo quality/framing of the tie
    D) The amount of the tie that was seen in the first picture, causing it to seem wider, less brash, or otherwise different than in this new fit
    E) All or several of the above?

    Thanks for the feedback - this is definitely a training wheels fit to see if I like it enough to polish it up, or instead leave the concept itself behind as too big a mishmash of formality levels.

    The tie from a Friday Challenge a while back (http://www.styleforum.net/t/351889/...2013-orgs-bold-tie-challenge/120#post_6423701)

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  3. EFV

    EFV Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    ^Those shoes are much better, and casual enough for the other outfit.

    I think the difference is:
    A) Most people would consider that tie pretty bad, but they thumbed it because:
    B) The context of how it was worn - with a navy suit and light blue gingham shirt
    C) The photo quality/framing of the tie
    D) It was worn in a "bold tie" FC.

    I like bold ties, but the proportions, colours and balance have to be right. There is too much going on in this tie:
    Very light colours, probably only suitable with really light coloured spring/summer ensembles. A very small, intense & asymmetric pattern, which makes the tie almost "crawl" when you look at it.

    Then again, it may all be my personal taste.
     
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  4. Isolation

    Isolation Senior member

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    I think also because in the newer fit it contrasted way too much and stuck out in a bad way, whereas there's more harmony in the fit with the navy jacket.
     


  5. ridethecliche

    ridethecliche Senior member

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    @jcmeyer , I love that floral tie!
     


  6. kulata

    kulata Senior member

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    Shirts are difficult to troubleshoot. You'd get better advice from professionals like @shirtmaven.
     


  7. TweedyProf

    TweedyProf Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    It's hard to tell on the back. When you wear a jacket, do you see a little bit of your shirt cuff? The sleeve length looks ok but it might pull up with a SC on.

    If this were me, I would have the shoulder seam to seam taken in just a touch (it's sort of starting to go over the curve of your shoulder). The front looks ok, but I wonder if it is slightly too tight at the chest. Side shot suggests that it is pulling a little. I can't tell anything from the back, but it does look a bit messy. You could have things taken in a little at the back but keeping the overall circumference the same. Make sure, however, that you give yourself enough allowances at waist and chest, 2-4 inches depending on how slim you want it.

    Don't know what to say about the collar. What's the issue? Do the points fit under a SC? Looks like they probably will. Height is fine, I think.

    On MTM shirts. Change variables slowly and in moderation. It can be a long process and you have to be patient.
     
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  8. ridethecliche

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  9. kulata

    kulata Senior member

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    Short and skinny lapels. No interesting details, just blah. Better to save the $450 towards a better jacket.
     


  10. in stitches

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    What these guys said.

    Also, having only jackets that fall flawlessly from every angle is not a reasonable expectation imo.
     


  11. PCK1

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    as Sr. Liverano says, "Better to buy one bespoke suit per year for ten years and have ten suits that will last you a life time...than to look terrible"....or something along those lines.
     
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  12. ridethecliche

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    It's like 270... because math.
     


  13. kulata

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    Save your $270 towards a better jacket and this to maths...



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    Always wanted to use this:D
     
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  14. ridethecliche

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    They have L's as well. I just liked the color. I have another one in that color so wasn't for me anyway.

    /shrug
     


  15. Isolation

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    Reminds me a lot of one of Claghorn's jackets.

    Clags has lots of stuff though, I don't think this jacket is very versatile.
     


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