Good deals on Old ties

[Sam Hober]

I always wonder about NWT tag items at deep discounts, if they are real which many knowledgable posters confirm, I suspect that many are stolen which makes me shy away from many sellers.

Now collectable items are another thing all together.

I bought a seven fold Talbott tie on eBay in great shape that was from the first year that they made them (I think) for $10. The lady who I bought it from only sells clothes on occasion. She had bought the tie at an estate sale in Florida (furniture and all).

 

[AlanC]

I always wonder about NWT tag items at deep discounts, if they are real which many knowledgable posters confirm, I suspect that many are stolen which makes me shy away from many sellers.

I don't think that's necessarily true. There are a lot of places to get things at deep discounts then flip them on ebay. I have no doubt that ebay is a repository of stolen goods, however.

And you can indeed get some great deals on slightly used ties. I picked up an 'as new' Richard James (pic in the other tie thread) for a song recently. My best tie shopping is done at thrift stores, though--RL Purple Label, Etro, Hermes, Robert Talbott, Charles Hill, etc.

 

[A Harris]

suspect that many are stolen which makes me shy away from many sellers.

Why do you suspect this??

 

[Horace]

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suspect that many are stolen which makes me shy away from many sellers.
Why do you suspect this??
I've never thought about it, but I suppose it's possible. Just in the same way as there have always been places in the larger cities to find things rather inexpensively. That have fallen off the truck, as it were, or been taken en masse out the back of Bloomies.

 

[JDMcDaniel]

If I possessed stolen goods, the last thing I would do is post pictures of them on one of the internet's most actively used sites, especially since that site would be in possession of my name, address, and credit card number.

That said, Chuck has been selling a huge number of "Carlo Franco" ties and shirts through his ebay account, and has recorded a number of shady trips to Biella, the mafia capital of northwest Italy... another case cracked by JDMcDaniel.

 

[A Harris]

I've never thought about it, but I suppose it's possible. Just in the same way as there have always been places in the larger cities to find things rather inexpensively. That have fallen off the truck, as it were, or been taken en masse out the back of Bloomies.

It's certainly possible. But I don't see much merchandise that is suspicious, at least with the high-end handmade goods. I've managed to identify just about every top-end seller's sources (curiousity and nothing more) and they are legit. There is a whole lot of top-end clothing out there at steep discounts, you just have to go to the trouble of finding it.

 

[johnnynorman3]

What's kitoncorner's source of goods, Harris? Give it up.

 

[Sam Hober]

A Harris,

Horace summed up my thoughts rather well.
Although I will admit to watching lots of late night mafia movies. Also I have read two or three ex-mafia "tell all" type books.

Seriously, I love bargain hunting and as others have stated you can find great clothes at a deep discount here and there, if you do your due diligence.

I fondly recall one shopping trip to a small thrift shop in Tiburon the small town that I grew up in just outside of SF.
I was right out of college and about to start a tax job with very little in the bank. For $100 I walked out the door with half a dozen BB suits. A few dollars in alterations later I was good to go. I am not sure if I looked as good as the partners in the firm I worked for, but I looked better than most of the staff.

 

[NoVaguy]

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suspect that many are stolen which makes me shy away from many sellers.
Why do you suspect this??
Synchronicity Washington Post: Thieves Find Just What They're Looking for on eBay

 

[Duveen]

I'll post the whole thing for those who don't want to sign in to WaPo:
hieves Find Exactly What They're Looking for on EBay
Auction Site Used to Cash In on Stolen Goods

By Ariana Eunjung Cha
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, January 6, 2005; Page A01

SAN JOSE -- Stealing the merchandise was the easy part. The ring of young men and women had become pros at snatching cashmere sweaters, perfumes and other expensive items from the likes of Abercrombie & Fitch, Victoria's Secret and Pottery Barn.

The problem was how to turn the goods into cash. Hocking the wares on the black market was out. They didn't have the contacts. And any attempt to return the goods for refunds would probably be rebuffed without some proof of purchase.

Soon they hit upon a solution: eBay.

The Silicon Valley-based auction house has become a fabulously successful mechanism for sellers of all kinds: mom-and-pop jam makers, collectors of fine antiques, people who just want to make a few bucks off the stuff collecting dust in their basement. With its global customer base of more than 100 million and software that allows strangers to exchange goods and money without ever meeting, it has maximized profit for its retailers.

It has done the same for thieves.

The shoplifters discovered some stores would allow them to return the goods without receipts for store credit or gift cards. They then sold those vouchers on the giant online marketplace. It was easy, instant and anonymous. The money flowed in -- they got 76 cents per dollar of stolen merchandise, a huge takeaway considering that shoplifters traditionally net 10 percent or less of the retail value of the items. The group made more than $200,000 in 10 months.

Law enforcement officials estimate that thousands of criminals continue to pull similar scams on the Internet, and enforcement is difficult. Breaking up the store-credit-for-cash scheme involved a massive, year-long sting that took authorities across five Northeast states and required them to mine hundreds of computer files, conduct secret surveillance at stores and place an agent undercover to infiltrate the ring.

In late December, Herion Karbunara, 25, pleaded guilty to organizing the scam. He received two years in jail. Two accomplices -- Lindsey Holland, 20, and Helen Macy, 21 -- received probation for returning stolen items to shops to collect the store credit. Anne Leeman, 39, also accused in the scheme, pleaded guilty the previous month. Charges in the case are still pending against Christine DeGrandis, 33.

Arif Alikhan, an assistant U.S. attorney in California, said the Internet has transformed those who in another era might have been petty thieves into major worries for law enforcement.

"There are a growing number of small-time thieves who have used the Internet to go big-time based on the anonymity that they think exists," said Alikhan, who specializes in cyber-crime and intellectual property cases.

The Federal Trade Commission last year received a record number of complaints, some 166,000, related to Internet fraud linked to losses of nearly $200 million. Half of the cases involved online auctions.

Those crimes are no longer limited to someone getting a bum deal on a lamp or Beanie Baby. A group of amateur motorcycle thieves from Austin filched nine bikes and sold them for $15,000 to a man who took them apart and auctioned off the spare parts online. A wife-and-husband team from Atlanta removed the bar codes from low-cost items and put them on expensive rugs that they purchased from Home Depot and Lowe's stores. They then returned the items, accepting gift cards for the real price of the merchandise, often hundreds of dollars more than they paid. They then would sell the gift cards on eBay. Prosecutors say the pair made at least $150,000 from the crime.

EBay spokesman Hani Durzy said that most auctions proceed without problems but that the company estimates a minuscule number -- 0.01 percent -- are fraudulent. There is no way to know exactly how many sales involve stolen goods.

"It would be impossible for us to be able to pinpoint a stolen good before it gets reported to us," Durzy said. "We don't own it. We don't ship it. We never handle it."

But with 30 million auctions happening on any given day, even 0.01 percent means at least 3,000 could involve some sort of crime. Durzy said eBay over the years has increased its security team to 1,000 people -- or 13 percent of its total employees -- to help combat the problem. It introduced a computer analysis system to flag suspicious auctions, and it is actively cooperating with government investigators around the world.

Karbunara, who was living in Woburn, Mass., began shoplifting in January 2002, authorities said. He paid a group of women from $50 to $200 a day to help him. As part of one scam, one woman would shoplift some merchandise and another would purchase identical items. Karbunara would scan the receipt into a computer, print counterfeits and then the women would return to the stores to get credit on their credit cards, prosecutors claimed.

In March 2003, Karbunara moved his operation online. He would return shoplifted items for gift cards and sell them on eBay. Under the name "apolonia1trading," he posted offers for cards worth as much as $1,200.

A suspicious retailer tipped the attorney general's office to the fact that a gift card from her store issued from stolen merchandise was being auctioned on eBay. By tracing Karbunara based on information from eBay's logs, law enforcement officials began secretly following him. They saw that he would wait in the parking lot as the women took brown paper bags into stores and then returned with stolen merchandise. They would then change their clothes and wigs and go to another store, working their way around the mall. On one occasion, law enforcement officials followed him and his accomplices as they hopped from shopping center to shopping center from Boston all the way to southern Maine.

"It took a lot of work by state police and store security to figure out what the entire scheme was," Grossman said.

Karbunara's ads on eBay were simple postings, Grossman said, with the picture of the store logo, the dollar amount of the card and an offer to sell it at a discount. With the sale of gift cards exploding in recent years, there was nothing suspicious except for maybe the number of cards he was selling. He often had dozens of cards for sale at one time, for a total of 600 cards over the time he was running the scheme.

For the most part, the people who purchased the cards paid for them using PayPal, an online payment system that shields credit card numbers and bank account information from sellers. However, buyers did have to supply their names and mailing addresses to receive the cards.

Gift card fraud is one of the fastest-growing problems for merchants, according to Richard C. Hollinger, a professor of criminology at the University of Florida. The National Retail Federation, an industry group based in the District, said one of its member companies recently tracked 42 gift cards it found online and found that 22 had been stolen or purchased with stolen credit cards.

Hollinger said the number of cards that people such as Karbunara post should tip off eBay to the scam quickly.

"The only people that deal in those kinds of quantities are professional criminals," Hollinger said.

In response to concerns by retailers, eBay recently restricted the sale of gift cards to one per seller per week with a maximum value of $500. But there's little eBay can do about another part of its system that Karbunara exploited -- the ratings customers use to evaluate one another. To the average customer, Karbunara appeared to be an honest and reliable eBay seller. As soon as he received payment for the stolen gift cards, he promptly mailed out the credits to unsuspecting customers who until the day his account was deactivated gave him their highest recommendation to other potential buyers.

 

[Sam Hober]

NoVaguy and Duveen,

Thanks for posting the article.

Maybe I haven't watched too many late night gangster movies after all.

Of course the gangsters in the old days dressed really well, maybe they kept the suits they stole?