giving prohormones a shot

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  1. Flambeur

    Flambeur Senior member

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    i appreciate what you said jumble. but this is all i have that passes for a hobby. it's like telling a movie lover to wear a blindfold to the theatre.

    Maybe find new hobbies that aren't going to fuck you up in the long run? And switch up your training for more skills/function - more sports/performance oriented stuff?
     


  2. lefty

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    Picking up hundreds of pounds and moving them around the room seems pretty functional/performance oriented to me.

    lefty
     


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    my wife often asks why i get such pleasure from picking up heavy things and putting them back down.
     


  4. Flambeur

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    Picking up hundreds of pounds and moving them around the room seems pretty functional/performance oriented to me.

    lefty



    Yes, if the only physical function you need is to lift heavy shit.

    I used to love lifting, but at some point recognized that it isn't enough for life-long physical training and health on its own. Sure, it's great and even necessary, but maybe as 30-50% of your overall training, and not to a point where you're risking your spine and so on. I still absolutely believe that aside from being a highly-specialized pro-athlete (most of whom still cross-train in other disciplines), overall sustainable physical fitness should be the ultimate goal for any man.

    Basically strength, endurance, stamina, reflexes and hand/eye coordination, toughness, etc. I have nothing against a pro lifter who can run a 10K and is a great basketball player for example, but I take equal issue with a both a skinny starved runner who has fucked up knees, and a bodybuilder who can't run a couple miles and has back problems as well as health issues from steroid abuse (nothing personal against you guys who use gear, i know it can be used safely in many cases and can sometimes helps. With regular prolonged use however, it does become incrementally more dangerous)

    I hope that makes sense.
     


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    ok smith is believable...the weight doesn't translate evenly (still heavy as hell but he couldn't do 395 on a regular free flat bar). Kunk also really surprised me by how he looks in a sleeveless. He is pretty built. My apologies Kunk for saying u were small [​IMG] Not sure why you'd want to take prohormones still. You will end up getting too bulky/wide to wear aesthetically pleasing clothing
     


  6. JoeWoah

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    Yes, if the only physical function you need is to lift heavy shit. I used to love lifting, but at some point recognized that it isn't enough for life-long physical training and health on its own. Sure, it's great and even necessary, but maybe as 30-50% of your overall training, and not to a point where you're risking your spine and so on. I still absolutely believe that aside from being a highly-specialized pro-athlete (most of whom still cross-train in other disciplines), overall sustainable physical fitness should be the ultimate goal for any man. Basically strength, endurance, stamina, reflexes and hand/eye coordination, toughness, etc. I have nothing against a pro lifter who can run a 10K and is a great basketball player for example, but I take equal issue with a both a skinny starved runner who has fucked up knees, and a bodybuilder who can't run a couple miles and has back problems as well as health issues from steroid abuse (nothing personal against you guys who use gear, i know it can be used safely in many cases and can sometimes helps. With regular prolonged use however, it does become incrementally more dangerous) I hope that makes sense.
    Makes sense to me! I for one, love lifting. It's essentially a sprint... short bouts of intensity with pauses between sets. Personally, I get bored of long cardio bouts, I need to do intervals or I know I won't be motivated to do it at all. The dopamine released in any kind of sprint is a great part, but seeing the results in the mirror and how women react to those results make it even sweeter. I don't give a shit what some people say about lanky being "in", I haven't seen it with the women I meet! That said, I purposely don't allow myself to bulk up too much. I rather like staying proportionate to my frame, finding OTR clothes that fit and being able to perform well in other disciplines like rowing and MMA (just started, OMG - 1,500 calorie workout is INSANE!). Injuries are another thing entirely, but you're right. I even work through the pain despite the fact that I know better. Fucking sports injuries! It's going to suck when I hit 30... let alone 40. I can't really speak to the pro hormone stuff. I've tried Trib, ZMA and 6-OXO before... the Trib gave me wood, the ZMA put me to sleep and the 6-OXO didn't do anything at all as far as I could tell. I still take ZMA because what the hell, it's super cheap and I could use the vitamins and the good night's sleep, but the other stuff were absolute wastes of money. However, if I were older and waning Testosterone becomes an issue, I would look for and take something to remedy that! Screw aging gracefully. I want my star to burn brightest, I don't care if it burns longest.
     


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    Yes, if the only physical function you need is to lift heavy shit.

    I used to love lifting, but at some point recognized that it isn't enough for life-long physical training and health on its own. Sure, it's great and even necessary, but maybe as 30-50% of your overall training, and not to a point where you're risking your spine and so on. I still absolutely believe that aside from being a highly-specialized pro-athlete (most of whom still cross-train in other disciplines), overall sustainable physical fitness should be the ultimate goal for any man.

    Basically strength, endurance, stamina, reflexes and hand/eye coordination, toughness, etc. I have nothing against a pro lifter who can run a 10K and is a great basketball player for example, but I take equal issue with a both a skinny starved runner who has fucked up knees, and a bodybuilder who can't run a couple miles and has back problems as well as health issues from steroid abuse (nothing personal against you guys who use gear, i know it can be used safely in many cases and can sometimes helps. With regular prolonged use however, it does become incrementally more dangerous)

    I hope that makes sense.


    Your goals and his goals have nothing to do with each other. I believe Kunk lifts for size and strength and as a young guy he has a tremendous amount of latitude regarding he can do to his body and what it can accomplish. Specialization is best done when one is young.

    I on the other hand, am in the back forty of life and have a very different aim. I care little about size (I would like to hang onto whatever strength I can), but my main goals are flexibility, power and leanness as these are the first to go with age.

    lefty
     


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    Just a question for americans, just curious, are hormones as wynstrol depot legal and free use in the States or illegal as in Europe? I don† do them by the way.[​IMG]
     


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    not unless you're a cat or horse
     


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    not unless you're a cat or horse
    They sell them on the back pages of Motor Trend magazine.
     


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    Your goals and his goals have nothing to do with each other. I believe Kunk lifts for size and strength and as a young guy he has a tremendous amount of latitude regarding he can do to his body and what it can accomplish. Specialization is best done when one is young.

    I on the other hand, am in the back forty of life and have a very different aim. I care little about size (I would like to hang onto whatever strength I can), but my main goals are flexibility, power and leanness as these are the first to go with age.

    lefty


    Like I said, specialization is fun, as long as you have a reason for it and realize the consequences. I absolutely give Kunk his props on achieving some badass results, but I am not sure if it's worth it as a long-term goal, and I am not sure if it's been healthy or how its going to affect him long term.

    I am in kunk's age group, and I am already over going strictly after size above even strength.
     


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    Woot woot I got my popcorn and I am ready to watch the 400 pound military press video promised for Thursday!!![​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] (proceed with excuse and insult)
     


  13. thekunk07

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    ^recorded 515 bench and 425 row. will post once i figure out how
     


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    ^recorded 515 bench and 425 row. will post once i figure out how

    I will watch eagerly with my morning coffee and either eat my words or see a 1/4 rom bench with a deadlift spotter. No overhead press vids?!
     


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    will do shoulders and bis tomorrow. get ready to fap
     


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