I just got a bunch of the plaids in xs and there a few things that bug me about these shirts. The button spacing on these shirts are a little odd. On every other button-up I own, I leave the top button undone, but on these shirts the second button is so high on the shirt that it requires me to leave the top 2 buttons open, which I dont really like to do. Fine, I can use a small pin or something to fix this. Not ideal, but could be ignored since the plaid patterns are so nice. The bigger problem is that these collars look huge and pretty much have to be buttoned down to look right. Unfortunaltely it makes my head look huge and my neck look short when I do this. Im going to have to have the collars trimmed by a tailor for them to look right on me. The weird thing is that the collars arent much larger than the ones on my other shirts when I compare them, but for some reason they look it. Im guessing its a combination of the stiff collar and odd button arrangement that makes the shirts look odd on me. I will take pics after work. First of all, hilarious post -- I can picture it now with the shirt buttoned far too high up to a short neck which is completely obscured by the gigantic Gitman collar, thus creating a pedestal effect on which is displayed a huge melon. : - ) Second, seriously, I can confirm what you say -- I've picked up several Gitman button-downs over the last year or so and they all fit roughly the same: if the top button (only) is left open, then that second button can seem a little high. It's not necessarily a bad thing though. It's just a very neat & tidy look. Sometimes I wear them that way, and sometimes I leave the top two open, with a white crewneck T underneath. But I'd suggest sticking with only one button undone if you're wearing a jacket (I saw a couple of photos of me in my new red oxford button-down from this past weekend and it looked a little sloppy with two undone). And, yes it's true, the collars do look substantial. But I'm tall, thin, and have a long neck, so I REALLY like the effect of that Gitman button-down collar. Finally, a couple of people asked where they might find some of the latest Gitman shirts -- I get mine locally at Winn Perry, which also does mail order: http://winnperry.com/updates/stock-update/ When I was there a few days ago (to pick up my red oxford) I saw the oxford in white, red, grey (which was very interesting looking), and stripe, and two plaid short-sleeved BDs.