Ghosts?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by JLibourel, Jul 3, 2008.

  1. Connemara

    Connemara [URL='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jST2Sv63WQ']

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    How do you know? Care to try?
    I'd rather use Geek as the guinea pig.
     


  2. Dedalus

    Dedalus Senior member

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    How do you know? Care to try?

    With the right brain damage, you can lose your sight. With another, you can lose your ability for language. I think it is reasonable to conclude that with enough brain damage, all the things that make you 'you' (eg, sense perception, memory, ability for abstraction) cease to be. In what sense would 'you' still exist?
     


  3. RJman

    RJman Posse Member Dubiously Honored

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    In what sense would 'you' still exist?
    Mebbe... as a ghost?
     


  4. JammieDodger

    JammieDodger Senior member

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    but what the hell do you think happens when someone dies? That they just vanish?

    Who said anything about people vanishing? Most rational people are of the opinion it takes a very long time for your typical body to decompose before it is unrecognisable - barring extreme conditions such as a nuclear bomb.

    If you want to understand the default view that there is no afterlife, think back to when you were last dead, i.e. before you were born. That was nothingness, right? That's what many people consider to be what you experience (or rather, don't experience, because you won't experience a thing in my opinion).
     


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    With the right brain damage, you can lose your sight. With another, you can lose your ability for language. I think it is reasonable to conclude that with enough brain damage, all the things that make you 'you' (eg, sense perception, memory, ability for abstraction) cease to be. In what sense would 'you' still exist?

    With the right lobotomy anything is possible!
     


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    ^Except death, apparently.
    Mebbe... as a ghost?
    Not being facetious; what is a ghost?
     


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    One could be a ghost of a person.
     


  8. RJman

    RJman Posse Member Dubiously Honored

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    ^Except death, apparently.



    Not being facetious; what is a ghost?

    Dude, I was just trying to insult the Connefused One.
     


  9. dusty

    dusty Senior member

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    Please do not let this thread devolve into another faith v. materialism debate. These personal experiences are really interesting.
     


  10. Connemara

    Connemara [URL='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jST2Sv63WQ']

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    With the right brain damage, you can lose your sight. With another, you can lose your ability for language. I think it is reasonable to conclude that with enough brain damage, all the things that make you 'you' (eg, sense perception, memory, ability for abstraction) cease to be. In what sense would 'you' still exist?
    I tend to agree with this rumination. This is an interesting take on the meaning of life and death. It's a John Hick lecture from 2002. http://www.johnhick.org.uk/article7.html
     


  11. RJman

    RJman Posse Member Dubiously Honored

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    Please do not let this thread devolve into another faith v. materialism debate. These personal experiences are really interesting.

    +1. Though I don't have any myself.
     


  12. JammieDodger

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    Please do not let this thread devolve into another faith v. materialism debate. These personal experiences are really interesting.

    The original post asked about views on ghosts and not personal experiences.
     


  13. dusty

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    The original post asked about views on ghosts and not personal experiences.

    That's not really relevant, as the thread has become something far more unusual and fascinating.
     


  14. JammieDodger

    JammieDodger Senior member

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    That's not really relevant, as the thread has become something far more unusual and fascinating.

    It's completely relevant. It's reasonable to be of the opinion that the thread should stick to the subject matter or that the conversation should be allowed to evolve. You're of neither, just the opinion that it should only contain posts that you personally find interesting. I personally find ghost stories extremely tedious, but if that's where the conversation is going, who am I to tell people what to do?
     


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    You're the only one posting these long reductionist rants. We've already had that thread like eight times.
     


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