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Genuine Authentic

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gregory, Oct 31, 2004.

  1. gregory

    gregory Senior member

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    By the way, the book goes into considerable detail of how Ralph Lifshitz was made made fun of because of his name when he was growing up and when he was in the army.

    One of the jokes he had to endure started with: "Well if you speak shitz with your mouth, then what does your ....."
     
  2. Horace

    Horace Senior member

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    Through the world, one learns the inferiority of one's culture and the supremacy of Western culture. Why else would clothing ads worldwide, rather then being tailored to the local population, always feature same type of people. The Western/American/WASP image is the global image of success and sex appeal, not only in America but in the world.
    Sounds like an old Chinese saying, that whoever conquers China becomes Chinese. Â But, ignoring the flamebait, my point was not that I begrudge Ralph Lauren for building a fashion empire built on selling WASP culture, but that I despise that RL himself seems ashamed of his Jewish roots. Â IMO, your parents gave you a name, and you should be proud of it. Â Tom Ford sold Gucci without ever denying or trying to hide his Texas roots. Â David Chu heads up Nautica.
    LA Guy: Well, one could say that unlike many today, he just hasn't fetishized his own identity; one could counter, of course, that he has fetishized another. It doesn't really bother me that he hasn't stayed true to some essential notion of "Jewishness", whatever that is or might be. On the other hand, perhaps he has, in some way, done so. Kidkim2: Good point, American re-invention. It predates Franklin's Autobiography, and perhaps may be found in the earliest writings of the English colonists.
     
  3. esquire.

    esquire. Senior member

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    I find it hard to believe that there's nothing in a culture that one would find desireable or valid. What is your culture? Are you JJ on the askandy forum?

    And, with regards to WASP influence, I would argue that its hip hop that has more influence on today's culture than any lingering WASP influence. Let's look at Tommy Hilfiger. It initially tried to be WASPy, which turned out to be commercially limited. It wasn't until the hip hop culture selected this brand did all the white suburban kids start wearing it as well.
     
  4. gregory

    gregory Senior member

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    esquire: no, I am not jj in askandy. I am also 'gregory' on askandy. And I don't hate my culture. I'm just making a point. Got to separate the person from his arguments ok.

    Living the hip hop culture will get one no where in life (except a musician). Living the WASP culture, on the other hand....

    You see my point?
     
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    christian Senior member

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    The appeal of the WASPs were their insouicance, which others interpreted as confidence.

    Somebody with an inferiority complex will have more trobule succeding than someone who is not wearing the correct WASPy clothing. No matter how bad something looks, if you wear it with enough confidence, than you can own the look.
     

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