gennaro paone: former head tailor of rubinacci

[TheFoo]

This is sad.

All I said was that tailors are not set up to entertain window shoppers and naturally do not like spending time with people who will not become clients. First of all, you shouldn't need someone to tell you that. Most of us work for a living. Do you like working on projects or having meetings which you know won't go anywhere and won't get you paid? Second, all of this echoes what David Reeves said first. Honestly, very few tailors will turn you away even if they know you are not a revenue generator. They will be polite and chat with you. So, my concern is not that tire kickers won't get some time with a tailor. Rather, I'm suggesting that it would be considerate and respectful for tire kickers not to waste a tailor's time.

Yet, all of you have your panties in a bunch simply because I decided to say something. Anything. Had I made the otherwise innocuous comment that it makes sense to wear a coat when it's cold, the same pathetic peanut gallery would call me a snob for not being considerate of people without coats. Give me a ******* break.

 

[Grammaton Cleric]



I call this "re-cut to measure" but make no mistake, it is no-where close to bespoke.

So do not kid yourself that the re-cut garment is every inch as a bespoke one

I thought the same when I saw the post. Several people on this board do seem to equate extensive alterations to a RTW garment by a competent tailor to be a rough simulacrum of bespoke. It really isn't, and the differences in fit, comfort and style are evident.

That being said, the RTW alterations route is a pragmatic one and one can easily obtain a good fit via this option.Bespoke is, after all, nothing more than an (unnecessary) luxury.

 

[TheFoo]



lol at mafoofan sneering at "iGent tire kickers" without a hint of irony

In what sense of the term could I possibly be called a tire kicker? The first half of this ridiculous debate was about the pluses and minuses of my own anti-tire kicking.

But don't let that concern you. Please, make some arbitrary assumptions, pick some random position to attack me from, and enjoy your peanuts.

 

[TheFoo]



I bet Mariano and Luca cringe when they hear his voice on the other end of the phone. Probably the same when they get an email.

This is clearly what the forum would like to believe. Maybe you can do some introspection and consider why that might be.

 

[TheFoo]



I thought the same when I saw the post. Several people on this board do seem to equate extensive alterations to a RTW garment by a competent tailor to be a rough simulacrum of bespoke. It really isn't, and the differences in fit, comfort and style are evident.

That being said, the RTW alterations route is a pragmatic one and one can easily obtain a good fit via this option.Bespoke is, after all, nothing more than an (unnecessary) luxury.

Are all bespoke suits better fit and more comfortable than all altered RTW suits? The answer is not yes.

 

[TheFoo]



Wait, are you saying you've had experiences?

No. I'm saying I've been invited to meet tailors under the explicit premise that they simply want to share their work. Sometimes they wanted to inspect my own stuff from Naples. They always know I'm not going to order anything and it's always by invitation. I don't call around to get meetings. This was mostly back when my blogging was more active (that's to say, active at all). Now, it only happens from time to time.

 

[itsstillmatt]

I enjoyed this thread a dozen or so pages ago.

 

[UrbanComposition]

I will go on the record and wager than Mafoofan is probably a fun guy to hang out with.

Matt, if you're in SF, beers are on me. I may be in workwear, though. Gus will buy you a martini; he's usually better dressed.

 

[TheFoo]



I enjoyed this thread a dozen or so pages ago.

My mistake for showing up.

 

[Grammaton Cleric]



Are all bespoke suits better fit and more comfortable than all altered RTW suits? The answer is not yes.

Jesus..you love the straw man argument, don't you?

You continously accuse others of misrepresenting your position, despite the fact that you love indulging in the same game yourself - feel free to re-read my post w/o jaundiced eyes.

 

[dopey]



. . .
Yet, all of you have your panties in a bunch simply because I decided to say something. Anything. Had I made the otherwise innocuous comment that it makes sense to wear a coat when it's cold, the same pathetic peanut gallery would call me a snob for not being considerate of people without coats. Give me a ******* break.

Are you wearing an overcoat in NY today because it is cold, snob? I'm not! That's what 21oz tweed sportcoats are for. So . . .

 

[TheFoo]



Jesus..you love the straw man argument, don't you?

You continously accuse others of misrepresenting your position, despite the fact that you love indulging in the same game yourself - feel free to re-read my post w/o jaundiced eyes.

You wouldn't recognize a straw man if you had one burrowing up your ass. Had I given you a play-by-play response, I would have been accused of arguing, lawyering, tar babying, etc.

I will go on the record and wager than Mafoofan is probably a fun guy to hang out with.

Matt, if you're in SF, beers are on me. I may be in workwear, though. Gus will buy you a martini; he's usually better dressed.

Thanks, man. Same goes to you if you are in NYC.

Do my longwings qualify as workwear?

Are you wearing an overcoat in NY today because it is cold, snob. I'm not! That's what 21oz tweed sportcoats are for. So . . .

I am, actually. It too is heavy tweed. Keeps the barbarians at bay. Excellent peanut shield.

 

[Grammaton Cleric]



You wouldn't recognize a straw man if you had one burrowing up your ass. Had I given you a play-by-play response, I would have been accused of arguing, lawyering, tar babying, etc.

Clever. But I still didn't get a mature response, which is par for the course for a nitwit like you.

I also assume you're unaware of the meaning of some of the phrases you use to make yourself sound clever and educated. Phrases that people in polite company typically don't use.

 

[IndianBoyz]

I think we're in need of voxsartoria's word on the issues here.

 

[TheFoo]



Clever. But I still didn't get a mature response, which is par for the course for a nitwit like you.

I also assume you're unaware of the meaning of some of the phrases you use to make yourself sound clever and educated. Phrases that people in polite company typically don't use.

People who talk about "polite company" tend to be the sort who desperately aspire to "polite company." Am I lacking in "class" too?

I thought the same when I saw the post. Several people on this board do seem to equate extensive alterations to a RTW garment by a competent tailor to be a rough simulacrum of bespoke. It really isn't, and the differences in fit, comfort and style are evident.

That being said, the RTW alterations route is a pragmatic one and one can easily obtain a good fit via this option.Bespoke is, after all, nothing more than an (unnecessary) luxury.

You make the statement that alterations to RTW cannot be a "rough simulacrum of bespoke" on the basis that there will be necessary "differences in fit, comfort and style." For this statement to be true and meaningful, for any given person, all bespoke garments would have to fit better than all altered RTW garments. I challenged this premise. Educate me how polite company would consider that a straw man argument.