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Gender-bending.

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by LabelKing, Jul 23, 2004.

  1. LabelKing

    LabelKing Senior member

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    [​IMG] Marlene Dietrich looked smashing in a men's suit, yes? I believe they were bespoke from Knize Vienna.
     


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    matadorpoeta Senior member

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    i don't know what you mean by 'smashing', but i wouldn't say the look is attractive.  she looks like a lesbian in that picture.
     


  3. LabelKing

    LabelKing Senior member

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    I meant smashing as one would say it in its context. As a complimentry adjective. [​IMG][​IMG] What about these? Her shoes were bespoke from Pinet Paris. She was bisexual by the way.
     


  4. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Interesting. I was reading an interesting article about that type of thing recently. And Marlene Dietrich looks pretty hot in every picture taken of her. On the other hand, I know quite a few lesbian women who look like they fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down, and the masculine clothing don't look good on 'em. No, it don't.
     


  5. LabelKing

    LabelKing Senior member

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    She was bisexual by the way.
    Interesting. Â I was reading an interesting article about that type of thing recently. Â And Marlene Dietrich looks pretty hot in every picture taken of her. Â On the other hand, I know quite a few lesbian women who look like they fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down, and the masculine clothing don't look good on 'em. Â No, it don't.
    I once called one Sir by mistake in a store somewhere. She had a military cut, and wire glasses.
     


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    Mike C. Senior member

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    That's not your fault. If your look is so ambiguos that people cannot tell gender, then either change your look or deal with it. Was the person offended?
     


  7. LabelKing

    LabelKing Senior member

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    (LabelKing @ 23 July 2004, 8:02) I once called one Sir by mistake in a store somewhere. She had a military cut, and wire glasses.
    That's not your fault. If your look is so ambiguos that people cannot tell gender, then either change your look or deal with it. Was the person offended?
    She sort of glared, and corrected me. So I presume she wasn't particularly complacent with this sort of occurence. But then she really shouldn't be wearing men's dress trousers, penny loafers, a dress shirt, and a v neck sweater. All in very bland tones.
     


  8. Shirtmaven

    Shirtmaven Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Years ago a customer came in for shirts.
    Rather strange and squat looking.

    Only when My hand brushed a very smooth cheek while going for a neck measurement did I realize that my customer was a woman and not a man.
    I made many button down oxford shirts for this customer over the years.

    I never questioned anything. Just wrote up the bill and thanked (him) for the order.
     


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    ken Banned by Request

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    My sister has a book--something to do with makeup--in which the author took some movie stars and did their makeup/dressed them up to look like certain icons. There's one of, like, Charlize Theron or something done up like James Dean. And there's one of Christina Ricci done up like a porcelain doll. I'll try to find the book and post some pictures. It's really interesting how good they look.
     


  10. LabelKing

    LabelKing Senior member

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    I think that a woman who will go to a tailor for a bespoke garment or garments is very glamourous. Somewhat more so than one who orders haute couture.

    Of course that would depend on the type of woman. I.e. looks. Bianca Jagger versus your description of a squat person.
     


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    LabelKing--

    Thank you, thank you, thank you. for the pictures of Marlene Dietrich.  (And if "smashing" isn't le mot juste, I'd like to know what is.)

    Good heavens, if more lesbians looked like her, I'd. . . . No, on second thought, I guess I wouldn't.

    But, seriously, guys.  Don't overlook sexually ambiguous females.  (And be sure to keep a record of what you learn from them.)

    You won't regret it.

    Mike
     


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    Ken, I'm pretty sure I know what book that is. If it's what I'm thinking, the book is about the work of a make-up artist from Louisiana named Kevyn Aucoin. My friend showed me her copy; that man could do some simply incredible things. Sadly, he died in May 2002. If you can find it, I'd like to see some pictures, because they really are impressive.
     


  13. sirgarnetwolseley

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    Of course, the other side of this coin is what Hedwig called the "crypto-gay boys". While none of them are gay, they all went for pretty androgynous looks at some point in their careers. Edited to fix linkie.
     


  14. LabelKing

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    Oh, I love the Hedwig movie. And that I believe is David Bowie. The others I do not recognize.
    Thank you. She is one of my favorite photogenic people.
     


  15. sirgarnetwolseley

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    The other two are Iqqy Pop and Lou Reed. They are like, easily three of my favourite musicians. I loved Hedwig and the Angry Inch as well. Hedwig;
    It was really funny and the music was great. There wasn't much in the way of classic men's style but Hedwig fits perfectly in the topic.
     


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