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Gaziano & Girling Appreciation & Shoe Appreciation Thread (including reviews, purchases, pictures, e

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by luk-cha, Apr 7, 2011.

  1. SpooPoker

    SpooPoker Internet Bigtimer and Most Popular Man on Campus Dubiously Honored Affiliate Vendor

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    And PG loves beating the shit out of his suedes.

    but shhh... dont say suede too much otherwise NOBD will show up.... :)
     
  2. fritzl

    fritzl Senior member

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    i told him :foo:
     
  3. fritzl

    fritzl Senior member

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    i'm not a scientist, i'm a user.
     
  4. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    so you are...

    more of a jesse
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    than a walt?
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  5. SpooPoker

    SpooPoker Internet Bigtimer and Most Popular Man on Campus Dubiously Honored Affiliate Vendor

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    [​IMG]
     
  6. fritzl

    fritzl Senior member

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    i know neither, but the answer is: yes.
     
  7. commodorewheeler

    commodorewheeler Senior member

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    Personally, I would go with calf if I'm going to be limited to only one pair of high end shoes. I just find calf to be a little more versatile than suede in terms of what I like to wear it with, and if I have only one pair of G&G, I'm going to want to be able to wear it with as many different things as possible.

    Also, the fact that you seem to second-guessing your initial inclination this much already suggests to me that you will regret going with suede, my own tastes notwithstanding.
     
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  8. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    i thought as much. they are characters from a tv show called breaking bad about a HS teacher turned master meth cooker and his drop out user partner.
     
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  9. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    That's the difference...

    In the first place, the word "delicate" can mean a lot of things--including tensile (rip) strength, surface density, even the permanence of finish. And it can mean one thing to the maker and another to the user.

    As a shoemaker, I think in terms of tensile strength first because it not only affects how the shoe is made but how long and well it will wear.

    I think of the density...the durability of the grain surface second, but again only because it will affect the appearance given more or less time. It might be remarked that one of the more durable finishes is...wait for it...corrected grain. (even if the underlying leather is crap)

    As for the finish, I only worry about it when I am working the leather--with some leathers even the base colour can be fragile and fugitive. This is something I will, and should, evaluate before I start cutting or making. [ I am not particularly enamored of finishes that are applied after the fact. Unless done very well they look phoney to me and have no real logic as to how they are applied or what they are purportedly representing.]

    The user seldom sees or considers any of this and as a result his/her understanding is not only incomplete it is superficial.

    All that said, I'm not a scientist either...I'm just interested at a level that some cannot muster and prefer to rely on logic and experience than half-baked opinions.
     
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  10. fritzl

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    well played cheeky monkey
     
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    G&G sizes go up to 13.
     
  12. Christopher Essex

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    Same with me...all significant purchases must be vetted first. It's the price we pay for being married to incredible ladies.
     
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    But haven't you said that you consider Delos one of the best? All of his finishes look mostly just like mirror finishes. Is this what you mean by "applied after the fact"?
     
  14. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    :)


    :nodding:
     
  15. DWFII

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    Yes, but consistent with what I said above, I'm looking at Delos' workmanship long before I'm looking at his finish.

    That said, it's the antiquing that I'm talking about more than any simple spitshine. For the most part what I've seen is more like random splotches than any reasonable facsimile of the patina that would naturally arise from long and loving use.

    What's more such finishes are not only hard for the end-user to maintain...another form of delicacy...they're often impossible to actually duplicate once lost.

    They cover up the leather in the same way that rouge and pancake cover the skin of a woman--it's make-up. And to a very real degree obscures the natural beauty of a piece of leather.

    I'm not totally against after-the-fact finishes, they're simply low on my list of indicators of quality.

    The user can be focused on superficialities (all too often to the point of obsession) in a way that the maker cannot afford to be. The maker has to deal with substance.
     
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    Well......that's one way to handle it.

    I've taken a slightly different approach. When questioned, I raise an eyebrow and simply mutter. "If you wish to buy whatever shoes YOU wish to have you are free to return to the world of earning a living."

    Works like a charm.........................................

    Although this method does require that we live on only one income and thus has drawbacks all it's own.
     
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    By the same token, shouldn’t you have the courage of your conviction, be consequent and reject all the applied decoration on cowboy boots. They too, obscure the natural beauty of a piece of leather and the honest craft of the shoemaker. I presume, people who commission cowboy boots are equally focused on superficialities (all too often to the point of obsession).

    What's good for the goose, is good for the gander!
     
  18. Christopher Essex

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    Indeed...such is not our present situation (although she says she'd like to retire in 10 or so years, leaving the responsibility to me to make up for the loss in her income - I fear I may never retire!).

    I usually get what I want in the end, and what I want is rarely too extravagant. Certainly there will be no more $8500 home entertainment systems purchased (which I bought before we met) without some serious negotiating!
     
  19. fritzl

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    i assume, you're glad you met her...
     
  20. Gdot

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    I hear you......I sometimes imagine I'll never retire. Although, compared to my peers I strive to live simply so as not to become a slave to a big house, extravagant cars, etc. etc.

    I don't think even I could survive a unilateral decision to buy an $8500 entertainment system. Now if I dropped that much on an unexpected vacation I'd be more than forgiven. But on 'guy things' I try to keep the bites a little smaller.

    In any case - I'd rather have 5 new pairs of G&Gs!
     

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