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Gaziano & Girling Appreciation & Shoe Appreciation Thread (including reviews, purchases, pictures, e

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by luk-cha, Apr 7, 2011.

  1. rydenfan

    rydenfan Senior member

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    Thank you. Yes indeed. For me I prefer the bit more rounded look of the GG06 to the MH71. But I am on the more casual side of a G&G customer...
     
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    Wow wow wow! Can't wait to see these on feet.
     
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    These look fab and will suit you well. Great choice!
     
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  4. Gazelle

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    Just been to London to buy a pair of St James 2 on MH71 last. First time in the G&G shop.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this shoe on the specified last rather popular?
    Well I was rather disappointed because apparently it's only MTO. Well that's really not a problem, I just needed to be patient, but of course let's see what this shoe looks like on this last on my foot. Nope because they didn't have any on MH71.
    Correct me if I'm wrong isn't it a bit of an ask to cough up £1200 for a shoe without seeing what it looks like in person and how it actually fits on your foot?
    So I'm very sorry G&G, whilst I love the look of your shoes, if I can't try a pair on in the style, last and size for my feet, then I'm not going to buy them or place an order. So I tootled off down the road and spent a similar ammount on 2 pairs of shoes from C&J.
    Looking at the interest in MTO runs on this forum that people buy and 'take a chance' on fit, I don't expect my custom will be overly missed.
    I was very disappointed as the trip was made especially to get or order my dream shoe and however limited my funds may be that equates to one lost customer.
     
  5. dddrees

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    I'm sorry you had that experience, but yes some actually do take a risk and spend that much without trying them on first. Risky as it is in fact some here actually do that with other brands as well to include some that cost as much and some that cost less such as C&J. But your right it is a risk and it's much better to try on first to ensure fit. Unfortunately some of us don't live where some of these shoes are sold. Like I said I'm sorry you had poor experience, but if you stick around here your going to find out that many do this and as result some find it doesn't work out while others find it does. I'm one who does and I am currently waiting on a St James II. I for one hope it works out as many of these types of purchases have in the past. No guarantees, but I have a number of other purchases I have been rather pleased with so far.


    Also, maybe if you stick around long enough someone might be able to direct you where and how you might have more success in trying these on.
     
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  6. bengal-stripe

    bengal-stripe Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I believe the G&G shop on Savile Row has a fitting sample shoe in every size, width and last they produce. So you can try on every variation to find the best fit for your feet. But that sample pair might not come in your preferred style. Just think how many pairs the shop ought to stock to provide a sample pair of every possible combination.

    If you cannot see (in your mind's eye) how a particular style might suit your foot (having established the right size by a sample in a different design) you can never go for bespoke in anything. In bespoke, there is nothing to be tried on at the stage you place the order. You hope the fit will come up to your expectations, but you have only the shoemaker's or tailor's reputation to go by. Equally you can pick out a design you like from the shop samples or a sample book, buy you cannot see how it will look on you.

    Hopefully the good shoemaker/tailor, taking your physical idiosyncrasies into account, will advise you which designs might be better suited and which ones might be less or not at all suited to you.
     
  7. grc1

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    Not quite - based on my regular visits to the store, I'd say they have sample shoes in the various sizes and widths (can't attest to how comprehensive the range is as I'd obviously only be interested in trying on sizes within a narrow range), but not on every last. The sample shoes are on the MH71 if I'm not mistaken. So unless you are a fan of the MH71, or can work with their stock range, there is an element of risk unfortunately when commissioning an MTO.

    The sample sales are a great way to see sizes in different lasts and styles - hit-and-miss, so obviously only works if you can come to London easily enough that going back empty-handed doesn't represent too much of a cost/time outlay in terms of travel.

    Them's the breaks, I guess.
     
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  8. Gazelle

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    Thanks for your replies.
    In response Bengal the shoe is on their RTW list. All shoes look different when they are up or down sized or actually on your feet, I agree that I would have been well fitted and that a St James on MH71 would fit much the same as another shoe on MH71, so if my feet fitted the last then I would be well served. But what would a St James in MH71 have looked like in my size on my feet? Who knows. What would St James have looked like in the various colour options in person in the flesh?
    This alas I am likely to never know. For example the MH71's in person look narrower at the toe than the photographs on the net. Is it wrong to expect to see at least one example of a RTW shoe on that particular last in that particular style?
    On their web page St James 2 on MH71 is a RTW shoe in vintage cherry. Actually the assistant advised me that in any colour it is only available as a MTO. Is the assistant wrong or is the website incorrect.
    Do I expect a flagship store to carry a complete range of their RTW shoes in available last shapes? Yes infact I really do unless they were sold out of a style for some reason.
    This experience hasn't changed my love of their product and I will always continue to admire their styles and their work and wish them well and success in all their ventures. I am just surprised that their flagship store is so poorly stocked when you consider the range of shoes on offer from, for example, vendors on this forum.
    As I said, I doubt that the loss of my custom will put any significant dent in their future business and I am happy with the two pairs of shoes that I did buy instead. Coincidentally both u-throat Oxfords that fit like a glove, look great on, are very well made and are really only lacking in the very special polishing and patina department that G&G do so well; and I can do that myself with a little effort on my part.
     
  9. Adamjonzey

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    The do normally stock fitting shoes in a huge amount of widths on MH71. Obviously not in every style.

    The website actually only shows vintage cherry inTG73 not MH71 but the vintage oak in MH71. The website does not always equate to what they actually stock, having never ordered from the website I don't know if ordering will mean a wait? Because it shows an original patter St James in vintage Rioja and I don't believe this is actually in stock in saville row.

    Here obviously is some disparity between website and store, but I have no idea why or if that is to change. If you notice some of the photos are different. The ones on a wooden floor tend to be (not in all cases) the ones they don't really stock in the shop.

    Shame you had such a bad experience. I actually find G&G the best shoe shop in Mayfair with the best staff. They tend to be not bothered in EG, too sales orientated in Crockett (with the exception of the small one on jermyn street not the flagship) a bit stuffy sometimes in Lobb. Only really cleverley is in the same league as G&G but that is a very different sort of store.
     
  10. bengal-stripe

    bengal-stripe Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    My advice still stands: don't ever go for bespoke if you cannot imagine how something in a different design or a different colour would look on you.



    G&G is probably the only place left where you can get a certain design made-up on the last of your choice. EG used to do that, but have stopped doing so in recent years. Now a certain design (even made-to-order) is only available on one or two lasts (but of course in all the different sizes and width the last is available), C&J only do each design on one last and (usually) in only one width.




    But you do apply different standard to G&G and C&J: in G&G you expect to find style X, in last Y and colour Z. In C&J you were looking just for shoes (without too many preconceived ideas; so, you found two pairs which you liked and which fitted you well.

    Don't you think if had looked with a similar open mind in G&G for something you liked, you might have found something?
     
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    I think it's completely justifiable to hold G&G to a higher standard than C&J. After all, like he said, he can buy 2 pairs of C&J for the price of 1 pair of G&G. £1200 is a lot of money to spend on shoes that aren't what you're looking for when you first set foot in the shop.
     
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  12. laufer

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    All of us in USA are now wishing we have retailers that stocks G&G trail shoes in different widths and sizes. I can hear @JubeiSpiegel screaming now all the way from Florida.

    @Gazelle you had extremely unrealistic expectations. G&G offer 5 different lasts, 4 different widths and 18 different sizes. if they are to stock all available options just size, width and last wise (never mind leather) this would come to around 1800 pairs of shoes. G&G would need a warehouse for that not a retail store.
     
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  13. SuitedDx

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    Trying a new brand definitely comes with risks and from my experience, I really don't know how things work out until I get a number of miles of use with the shoes (a number being about >50 miles). Only then can I say "this last works" or not. After a number of brands, I've settled with a handful (EG, G&G, & Alden) which compliment my needs. I do flirt with other brands (e.g., JL, Vass) because of various curiosity but I know my staple. I still plan to try out StC and a handful of others, but there hasn't been styles that are different enough that has pushed me to pick up a pair.

    I believe there are many here on SF where price isn't much of a concern, but in your statement it was an important factor. If so, maybe it's more prudent to get C&J and see your comfortable cost window. In regards to MTO/fit concerns, many of those involved have experience with G&G so it's not too much of a risk. Also, individuals such as myself fit well with all their lasts in the same size/width (except the KN14 which I take a narrower with as it's their slip-on last); however, this vary with others.

    Wear your new kicks well and when it's time for a resole/refurb, maybe you'll gander at G&G again.
     
  14. blue2007

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    Just got a pair of the ST James II in MH71 Vintage Cherry. A bi tight around the joint ball but hopefully they loosen up a bit. I also have a TG73 Sinatra. Both great styles. Not sure which last I like more though.

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  15. armsignet

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    @Gazelle - Perhaps this is obvious, but I will also note that click-and-mortar merchants like Bespoke England and Skoaktiebolaget offer extremely helpful sizing advice. If you tell them how other makers' lasts and sizes fit you, they will recommend a size for G&G. While an online order is also risky, I have had 100% success with the advise from both of these merchants for sizing in G&G, Carmina, and St. Crispin's.

    So, I guess my advice is, when you are ready to make another shoe purchase, try these venues too. If you get a shoe that does not fit, you can recoup much of your money reselling a mint shoe here, and you should then know what your size is. The loss is cheaper than a trip to London for most.
     
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    Very well said & I agree 100% & I would also recommend this.
     
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    Gaziano Sting Ray MTO​
     
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  18. TtownMD

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    Those are very nice man
     
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  19. Gazelle

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    Wasn't planning on going bespoke. As I said I was advised St James 2 was RTW on MH71. I did check before visiting - was considering MTO ie colour change after trying on RTW version. Correct me if I'm wrong RTW does mean 'ready to wear'. MTO means 'made to order' and bespoke means 'bespoke' does it not? If I'd have wanted bespoke I would have gone to Cleverley and spoken to the maker not the shop assistant, would have gone for exactly the same type of shoe, would have had a last made from my feet and would have had a hand welted shoe rather than a Goodyear welted sole. My left shoe would have been slightly larger than the right one and all the toe caps etc etc would have matched exactly inspite of my minor foot size differences (that is proper bespoke). I would have been confident that they would have fitted without trying on a pair in advance.
    There are all sorts of reasons why you should try on a style in a last sizing ie where the cap edge comes in relation to the flex of your toe, some may dig in on the joint etc etc etc - those are not problems when going bespoke. MTO are generally minor changes around an established style ie colour, materials etc so as long as you've tried them on in the RTW version they are not a problem either.
    Yes I do apply different standards to G&G than to say C&J. C&J are RTW and you are limited to that but they do specials also. You must remeber I was only comparing like with like - C&J RTW with G&G RTW. G&G run less lasts and less styles in RTW than C&J not the other way round.
    I have obviously just been misinformed that ST James on MH71 is part of their RTW collection - that is all I have stated and I would expect them to have RTW shoes in stock otherwise RTW becomes MTO rather than RTW does it not?
    Then your point about compromise. Shoe required Oxford cap toe. Brogue on cap line, curved u-throat and top line, heel cap and no punching on toe cap with softish squared toe. IMHO Gaziano and Girling St James 2 on MH71 is perfect. If I wanted a bespoke shoe I would ask the maker to copy the G&G product as it is perfection on my eyes.
    That is what I set out to buy with my £1200 pounds which to me represents a price point where there should be no compromise and I was happy to pay the price for this extravagance, but not without trying it on. I wouldn't spend £600 on a shoe without trying style and last on!
    Back to compromise, well if I can't have the perfect shoe unless I buy it blind, then compromise I did.
    I compromised by buying 2 Oxford cap toes. Brogue on cap line, curved u-throat and top line, heel cap brogueing and no punching on toe cap with a softish squared toe on a last I do not think is as aesthetically pleasing as the MH71. However in G&G I am not overly fond of other lasts on this shoe, DG70 too round, TG73 can look a bit like a ducks bill, GG06 too round again etc.
    Perhaps to you it's unfair to expect compromise with one shoe but not another, but to me the price point meant I was avoiding compromise. They were not after all making the shoe for me, it was already part of their current line.
    This is not a G&G battering exercise as I clearly state that I feel St James on MH71 is perfection to me. I still consider this to be the case and well done G&G for their other extraordinarily beautiful shoes. It is just a real shame that for example skoaktiebolaget.se has a better range St James 2 than the main flagship store. Why not just produce a mail order catalogue if that is the case. Have a guess at the style and a guess at the fit and a guess at how it fits on your foot, hand over a large sum of money and if you're lucky it'll arrive in the post in a few months.
    Finally with respect to an open mind would I have found something else I liked? Of course I would, for example Cliffe on a Deco in black suede is, from the pictures I've seen on the net, more an example of art than just a shoe. I am totally in love with that shoe. I was looking forward to seeing it and holding it and falling in love with it (yes I know I am rather sad) - but do you know what, they didn't have one of them either!
     
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    Christallmighty those are insane! I hope one day there'll be another GMTO for the whole cut in black stingray – would look stellar as an alternative to patent leather shoes for black tie :bigstar:
     
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