Gaziano & Girling Appreciation & Shoe Appreciation Thread (including reviews, purchases, pictures, e

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by luk-cha, Apr 7, 2011.

  1. RogerP

    RogerP Senior member

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    An interesting perspective. It won't be well received by those who hold themselves forward as the sole arbiters of quality, but interesting all the same.
     
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    TimH Senior member

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    I can see the point being made but surely it is about craftsmanship, longevity and value for money?
     
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    Now you're being pedantic.

    Definition of "quality" from the Oxford Dictionary:
    noun (plural qualities)

    • 1 [mass noun] the standard of something as measured against other things of a similar kind; the degree of excellence of something:an improvement in product quality
    • 2a distinctive attribute or characteristic possessed by someone or something:

    Quality has nothing to do with good, bad or relativism. Quality is to do with meadurable traits, such as one could use to measure characteristics of a shoe, for example.

    Simply need a good, linear calibration.
     
  4. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    That's simply not true, because, at this point, the issue is not "quality", it is whether a subjective definition of quality has any validity. If it does, then we have no basis for communication. No basis for language.

    Words have meanings...as your reference to the Oxford so aptly illustrates. That's the basis of all language and all communication. When we get to the point where it is acceptable to substitute your own meaning for commonly, historically, and Traditionally, accepted meanings, we'll all be speaking in tongues.

    Language is the basis for thought. The structure of a language is known to influence thought, philosophy, and world-view.

    If we define quality...if we define good or evil... according to our own lights, according to our own self important, self-interested standards we are fundamentally setting ourselves and our opinions above all others. Above commonly accepted definitions. Above Traditional standards. Above any need to interact with other people.

    If that's not relativism it's certainly solipsism. And perhaps more reprehensible for that.
     
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    RogerP Senior member

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    All three of those things are certainly important to me.
     
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    Good. So now it is established here that quality is something measurable, and the rest is esthetics.
     
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    laufer Senior member

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    Thelonius,
    do not take this personally but can you please go somewhere else? For example there is a leather quality and properties thread.
     
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    DW will entertain all trolling in the Leather Quality thread... :plain:
     
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    chogall Senior member

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    the last two pages are awesome for the G&G thread.
     
  10. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    I'd rather not, thank you. I hate entertaining trolls...their attention spans are so short and they live under bridges. And just when the dog and porny show is taking a well deserved break, the Thread Police come rolling in.

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    in stitches Kung Joo Moderator

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    yowza, these are awesome. nice to see ya round again.

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    i kinda wanna comment on the previous convo, but i dont know enough and i know ill end up being a dick.

    so, ill just post my MTO st james II with medallion, on their maiden voyage. :)

    THANKS NICK!!!!!! :slayer:

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  12. RogerP

    RogerP Senior member

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    stitchy - delicious suede, and just what this thread needed - thanks. What colour are those?
     
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    aportnoy Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I second that....:slayer::slayer::slayer::slayer::slayer: (5 out of 5 slayers)
     
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    luk-cha Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    thanks chap, still around just dont have as much to post anymore, otherwise you get comments like above

    loving your suede, polo or cedar?
     
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    Stitchy,

    You really like that polo suede huh, very nice, TG73 last I presume.

    Love that last, every time it consider using a different last, even the MH71, I keep coming back to it. All my GGs can't end up being TG73, can they? :confused:
     

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