• Hi, I am the owner and main administrator of Styleforum. If you find the forum useful and fun, please help support it by buying through the posted links on the forum. Our main, very popular sales thread, where the latest and best sales are listed, are posted HERE

    Purchases made through some of our links earns a commission for the forum and allows us to do the work of maintaining and improving it. Finally, thanks for being a part of this community. We realize that there are many choices today on the internet, and we have all of you to thank for making Styleforum the foremost destination for discussions of menswear.
  • This site contains affiliate links for which Styleforum may be compensated.
  • We would like to welcome House of Huntington as an official Affiliate Vendor. Shop past season Drake's, Nigel Cabourn, Private White V.C. and other menswear luxury brands at exceptional prices below retail. Please visit the Houise of Huntington thread and welcome them to the forum.

  • STYLE. COMMUNITY. GREAT CLOTHING.

    Bored of counting likes on social networks? At Styleforum, you’ll find rousing discussions that go beyond strings of emojis.

    Click Here to join Styleforum's thousands of style enthusiasts today!

    Styleforum is supported in part by commission earning affiliate links sitewide. Please support us by using them. You may learn more here.

FYI Limited Ben Silver C&J Sale

norcaltransplant

Distinguished Member
Joined
Jan 29, 2003
Messages
2,522
Reaction score
163
A few C&J models on sale at Ben Silver.
HG for $262.50 in narrow widths.
 

Roger

Distinguished Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2005
Messages
1,937
Reaction score
16
Originally Posted by norcaltransplant
A few C&J models on sale at Ben Silver.
HG for $262.50 in narrow widths.

Norcal, great tip; thanks for the heads-up. Do you or anyone else know for certain that the C&Js that Ben Silver sell as "handgrade shoes" are, in fact, made to C&J Handgrade standards? For example, the one shoe that I would be most interested in is a monk shoe Ben Silver calls the Mortimer. In its externals, it more closely resembles the Benchgrade Malvern than it does the Handgrade Savile, and its color, tan, is not one offered on either with the C&J brand. Does anyone know the arrangement Ben Silver has with C&J with respect to these shoes?
 

NoVaguy

Distinguished Member
Joined
Oct 15, 2004
Messages
6,546
Reaction score
140

Duveen

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 25, 2004
Messages
834
Reaction score
2
After inspecting them in person, I'd say that a good share of the Ben Silver 'handgrades' are benchgrade shoes. The Mortimer is definitely not the Savile in last, and I can't recall if the soles are channeled or not...
 

Roger

Distinguished Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2005
Messages
1,937
Reaction score
16
Originally Posted by Duveen
After inspecting them in person, I'd say that a good share of the Ben Silver 'handgrades' are benchgrade shoes. The Mortimer is definitely not the Savile in last, and I can't recall if the soles are channeled or not...
That's very helpful. I notice that there is some price variation in the C&J shoes at Ben Silver, with some going for $495 (perhaps these are benchgrades) and others (like the Mortimer) for $595. I would assume, I guess, that the higher-priced ones would be like the Handgrades, but who knows? Do you have a good recollection of the shape of the Mortimer? It sounds as if you feel it's not made on the 337 last (like the Savile). How does it differ in shape from the Savile?
 

NoVaguy

Distinguished Member
Joined
Oct 15, 2004
Messages
6,546
Reaction score
140
Most of the $595 shoes are handgrades (I think the only exception is the jodphur), the $400-495 shoes are benchgrades. For most shoes you can cross-correlate by checking pediwear. Ben Silver keeps the same model name as C&J.
 

Roger

Distinguished Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2005
Messages
1,937
Reaction score
16
Originally Posted by NoVaguy
Most of the $595 shoes are handgrades (I think the only exception is the jodphur), the $400-495 shoes are benchgrades. For most shoes you can cross-correlate by checking pediwear. Ben Silver keeps the same model name as C&J.
The problem in cross-checking is finding anywhere else the Ben Silver models of C&Js that have different names than the current C&J-branded production. In other words, there doesn't seem to be a C&J-branded Mortimer anywhere other than Ben Silver to look at and get more information about it. Or is there? Have any of you guys ever seen the Mortimer anywhere else?
 

TKDKid

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 1, 2004
Messages
679
Reaction score
6
Originally Posted by Roger
The problem in cross-checking is finding anywhere else the Ben Silver models of C&Js that have different names than the current C&J-branded production. In other words, there doesn't seem to be a C&J-branded Mortimer anywhere other than Ben Silver to look at and get more information about it. Or is there? Have any of you guys ever seen the Mortimer anywhere else?
I'll have to check my old C&J catalogues to confirm, but I seem to remember the Mortimer being a discontinued (in the UK at least) Handgrade model made on the 330 last.
 

Roger

Distinguished Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2005
Messages
1,937
Reaction score
16
Originally Posted by von Rothbart
The Mortimer looks like 330 last to me.
Good suggestion, von Rothbart; I think you are likely right.

Originally Posted by TKDKid
I'll have to check my old C&J catalogues to confirm, but I seem to remember the Mortimer being a discontinued (in the UK at least) Handgrade model made on the 330 last.
I'd appreciate that.

This would make sense, as my C&J Handgrade Downings (full brogues in burgundy) that I got from Ben Silver a year and a half ago are on the 330 last, one they seem to have retained in the C&J-branded Handgrade collection for only the Whitehall and Rosebery models. The Downing was replaced by the similar (except for last) Clifford.
 

aportnoy

Distinguished Member
Dubiously Honored
Joined
Mar 10, 2006
Messages
6,791
Reaction score
787
Originally Posted by Roger
Good suggestion, von Rothbart; I think you are likely right.

I'd appreciate that.

This would make sense, as my C&J Handgrade Downings (full brogues in burgundy) that I got from Ben Silver a year and a half ago are on the 330 last, one they seem to have retained in the C&J-branded Handgrade collection for only the Whitehall and Rosebery models. The Downing was replaced by the similar (except for last) Clifford.


The Lawrence is also definitely a handgrade model on the 330 as I just picked one up recently.
 

Roger

Distinguished Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2005
Messages
1,937
Reaction score
16
Originally Posted by aportnoy
The Lawrence is also definitely a handgrade model on the 330 as I just picked one up recently.
Aportnoy, the Lawrence is a great-looking shoe. I considered it, but declined because it is so close to my EG Ashbys, right down to the handstitched toe/apron seam and the semi-hidden split-toe seam, and the color--which looks much like the EG Chestnut, at least from the Ben Silver picture. The Lawrence seems to have super antiquing, something that most of the Handgrades don't have. The 330 last, as it is employed with the Lawrence, looks a bit like the EG 606 last from the picture. Or, in the flesh, is it more like the 202? In my C&J Handgrade Downings, the effect seems like a cross between the EG 202 last and the JLobb 7000 (with greater width at the ball of the foot).
 

aportnoy

Distinguished Member
Dubiously Honored
Joined
Mar 10, 2006
Messages
6,791
Reaction score
787
Originally Posted by Roger
Aportnoy, the Lawrence is a great-looking shoe. I considered it, but declined because it is so close to my EG Ashbys, right down to the handstitched toe/apron seam and the semi-hidden split-toe seam, and the color--which looks much like the EG Chestnut, at least from the Ben Silver picture. The Lawrence seems to have super antiquing, something that most of the Handgrades don't have. The 330 last, as it is employed with the Lawrence, looks a bit like the EG 606 last from the picture. Or, in the flesh, is it more like the 202? In my C&J Handgrade Downings, the effect seems like a cross between the EG 202 last and the JLobb 7000 (with greater width at the ball of the foot).

Right you are Roger. The Lawrence is quite similar to Ashby and I would say the toe shape more resembles the 202 than the 606. I have the Yardley on the 606 and can post a comparison if you would like.
 

TKDKid

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 1, 2004
Messages
679
Reaction score
6
Originally Posted by Roger
The problem in cross-checking is finding anywhere else the Ben Silver models of C&Js that have different names than the current C&J-branded production. In other words, there doesn't seem to be a C&J-branded Mortimer anywhere other than Ben Silver to look at and get more information about it. Or is there? Have any of you guys ever seen the Mortimer anywhere else?
Found them - they're in C&J's 2002-2003 retail & mail order catalogue.
 

Roger

Distinguished Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2005
Messages
1,937
Reaction score
16
Great, TKDKid, thanks. That really clarifies things. It's interesting that the Ben Silver collection of C&Js is, to some extent anyway, made up of earlier C&J-branded Handgrades. For example, the Savile has now replaced the Mortimer. Perhaps when they decided to make almost all the Handgrades on the 337 last, they decided as well to change the names of the corresponding shoes--e.g., Clifford for Downing, Savile for Mortimer, etc. I wonder why Ben Silver isn't selling the 337-last versions.
 

Featured Sponsor

How important is full vs half canvas to you for heavier sport jackets?

  • Definitely full canvas only

    Votes: 55 35.5%
  • Half canvas is fine

    Votes: 60 38.7%
  • Really don't care

    Votes: 17 11.0%
  • Depends on fabric

    Votes: 27 17.4%
  • Depends on price

    Votes: 28 18.1%

Forum statistics

Threads
505,172
Messages
10,579,191
Members
223,888
Latest member
RoseBenif
Top