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Furniture for My New Apartment

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by mafoofan, Jul 10, 2008.

  1. converge

    converge Senior member

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    Do you want your place to look like a page straight out of a DWR catalog? At least get some real vintage pieces. At the very least, fiberglass shell chairs instead of plastic. And you can always find cool no-name vintage furniture on Craigslist or eBay.
     
  2. Fuuma

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    Some classic pieces in there but all coupled together it's [​IMG] at best and probably [​IMG] depending on the place. It looks like what a Manhattanite working in finance or law might buy to show his good taste, an endeavour bound to failure if he goes outside his circle.

    I'd definitely keep the Sofa; you're going to be using it as foundation for your living room for years to come. Ditch the coffee table unless everything in your place is white or plastic (and I mean everything, including the floors). Even then I'd get a white lacquered coffee table. If you could find a vintage chair, something more traditional, even Victorian, you'd start to avoid the matchy/matchy effect. Do you have an antique chest or something of the kind, might come in handy in fighting all that modernism.

    Ditch the table and chairs or you'll be that guy who comes here and says Armani is the best suit ever and Rolex the best watch. Nothing wrong with Armani or Rolex but sometimes it's nice to develop your taste a little bit outside of mainstream normative canon.
     
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  3. designprofessor

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    I'll second the opinion on the Emes LCW. I owned two, and people didn't sit in them.
    They sit low, and were avoided by guests.
    I have since replaced them with an Eames aluminum group management chair -much more user friendly.
     
  4. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Some classic pieces in there but all coupled together it's [​IMG] at best and probably [​IMG] depending on the place. It looks like what a Manhattanite working in finance or law might buy to show his good taste, an endeavour bound to failure if he goes outside his circle.

    Thanks for the very thoughtful comments. There's a lot to think about.

    I don't want to be what you describe: a striving lawyer with no taste. On the other hand, I don't have or want a 'circle' to impress either. Surely, there is room for something in between, or not along that spectrum at all?

    I'd definitely keep the Sofa; you're going to be using it as foundation for your living room for years to come. Ditch the coffee table unless everything in your place is white or plastic (and I mean everything, including the floors). Even then I'd get a white lacquered coffee table. If you could find a vintage chair, something more traditional, even Victorian, you'd start to avoid the matchy/matchy effect. Do you have an antique chest or something of the kind, might come in handy in fighting all that modernism.

    Unfortunately, we don't have anything old like you describe. I don't want to be argumentative, but what is wrong with a thoroughly modernist approach? Is it doomed to be 'matchy-matchy'? I can honestly say that I'm not interested in throwing in vintage or antique pieces--to me, the effect would be equally contrived, implying that we are older and more travelled than we really are. To make things more interesting, we'd rather draw from modern choices. Afterall, we are not trying to decorate in a mid-century manner--even if many pieces originate in that era. If we were trying to decorate as according to a particular period, I'd understand the counter-motivation to look to other ones. But we just like modern design, regardless of age.

    I imagine that our home will get more interesting and personalized over time, as we add things we stumble upon. Perhaps, what we start with should be boring or blank. It would be more honest that way. Thoughts?

    Ditch the table and chairs or you'll be that guy who comes here and says Armani is the best suit ever and Rolex the best watch. Nothing wrong with Armani or Rolex but sometimes it's nice to develop your taste a little bit outside of mainstream normative canon.

    I don't want to be constrained by prevailing norms, but I also don't want to make a point of breaking them. There would just be too many to avoid--as you say, it depends on your circle.

    But your point about developing our taste is well-taken. My fear is that we have shaped our preferences around our choices because we didn't know more or better. Yet, I can say that we are not consciously trying to converge on any norm.
     
  5. A Y

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    The couch (thought I'd get it in cloth instead of leather, but that's just me) and the table are keepers. The Tulip chairs are nice, but keep in the mind the scale of your apartment: everything close together might make things a bit too obviously matchy. I've posted this link before, but it's a great collection of different ways to use the Saarinen table:

    http://a-mad-tea-party-with-alis.blo...and-other.html

    I don't understand the comments dissing the Saarinen table. It is a classic that can go with almost everything, and has only been copied badly --- you cannot improve on it. Of course, I'm partial to it, and have a vintage one (white marble, 47-inch top) that I pair with blue Modernica shell sidechairs on Eifel bases. If you are going to get the shell chairs, I'd go with Modernica rather than Eames because the fiberglass is more authentic, and looks better. The polypro looks kind of fake actually.

    Also don't forget lighting fixtures, which can help integrate everything together well.

    And keep looking around at books and the web for ideas. There are lots of design blogs out there that have interesting ideas. I like this one, because they often have links to Flickr pictures that are mid-century oriented:

    http://blueantstudio.blogspot.com/

    I'm also currently reading a Julius Schulman book that has great pictures from the mid-20th century published by Taschen. The publisher has a lot of books about modern designers, and is a good source of ideas.

    And don't be afraid of looking at contemporary designers as well. I like stuff from Cassina (their Lissoni coffee table may be up your alley), and really admire what Cappelini puts out there. Artifort also has a lot of interesting things.

    --Andre
     
  6. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    And don't be afraid of looking at contemporary designers as well. I like stuff from Cassina (their Lissoni coffee table may be up your alley), and really admire what Cappelini puts out there. Artifort also has a lot of interesting things.

    Is this the coffee table you're talking about? It's Cassina, by Lissoni:

    [​IMG]

    It's fantastic. I'll have to show it to the girl. I like the low white-lacquered square in particular.
     
  7. mafoofan

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    Perhaps the Juliana chair, to go with the Saarinen table:
    [​IMG]
     
  8. itsstillmatt

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    Why don't you just move into iammatt's place? [​IMG]

    :tongue: I don't have any of those things in my house, but I do like them all.

    Perhaps the Juliana chair, to go with the Saarinen table:
    [​IMG]


    Make sure you don't get something with sharp angles to go with the tulip table. It doesn't look good.

    I would second, or third, the idea of a white lacquer coffee table.
     
  9. Fuuma

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    A few thoughts:

    1) I don't dislike the Saarinen table and chairs in the least (keep in mind I have a Jacobsen egg chair and LC3 sofa so I'm also a fan of some classics), I just feel that with some of your other choices it will be too much of a good thing. Your suggestion to switch chairs is a step in the right direction. I'd also ditch the table but that's me.

    2) I'd keep some of my Ikea furniture for now and keep looking and learning, your appartment doesn't have to look complete. My comment about the Armani wasn't an attempt at dissing the brand, I just find that when you start to learn more about suiting it is quite possible that you'll understand what compelled you to seek the Armani and maybe find that something else is more to your newly acquired standards. I still like armani over brioni or canali but I also know why I do (I don't wear any of those so the point is moot).

    3) There are various antique dealers and even flea markets where you can find something that tickles your aesthetic senses, you don't have to seek older pieces but your idea about at least mixing in some contemporary might be the start of an answer.

    4) That Cassina table is a nice piece (I like white lacquer too) but the bold profile makes it so low it is mostly an annoyance, you might end up trying to throw it out the window after bending over picking artbooks one time too many.

    5) I assume you're mostly into light shades of furniture but I'd still keep looking at darker and more substantial pieces, you never know. GDL has a good look going on with the sofa and painting; it looks like he lives there, not showroomy in the least.

    6) Flokati are a pain, I'd only have one around the bed as it's nice to lie in it. Looks very 70s playboy though.

    7) I don't know if you're asian or asian-american but is there something from your ancestral country that brings a warm feeling to your heart? That might also be an option if you want to spice thing up but to avoid a vintage that you don't connect with...
     
  10. T4phage

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    Is this the coffee table you're talking about? It's Cassina, by Lissoni: [​IMG] It's fantastic. I'll have to show it to the girl. I like the low white-lacquered square in particular.
    B&B's Void low table in grey is also nice. [​IMG]
     
  11. Manton

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    Why does everyone want to decorate their home like Captain Kirk's quarters?
     
  12. greekonomist

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    6) Flokati are a pain, I'd only have one around the bed as it's nice to lie in it. Looks very 70s playboy though.

    +1 Flokati are a pain, but...

    I still love them; it's the Greek in me. They remind me of my childhood.

    My grandfather had a flokati business, and I actually have a bunch of them around (looking to sell). I even have some books on flokati that he published.

    Mafoo, I'd be happy to help you if you decide to go with a flokati or have any quesitons while deciding. PM me at your convenience if you're interested.
     
  13. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Make sure you don't get something with sharp angles to go with the tulip table. It doesn't look good.

    I would second, or third, the idea of a white lacquer coffee table.


    Nice point about the angles; my fiancee isn't particularly enamored with the Juliana chair anyway. What about something with lots of angles, like the Chair One?

    The white-lacquered table is almost a done deal; we both like it and Cassina has it in stock.

    1) I don't dislike the Saarinen table and chairs in the least (keep in mind I have a Jacobsen egg chair and LC3 sofa so I'm also a fan of some classics), I just feel that with some of your other choices it will be too much of a good thing. Your suggestion to switch chairs is a step in the right direction. I'd also ditch the table but that's me.

    We definitely don't want our livingroom to look pre-packaged. I guess I assume that as our living spaces increase in size, the concentration of the classics will decrease. We figure that buying classics we like helps ensure that we will have a use for them later on, even if they are not optimal in our current situation.

    2) I'd keep some of my Ikea furniture for now and keep looking and learning, your appartment doesn't have to look complete. My comment about the Armani wasn't an attempt at dissing the brand, I just find that when you start to learn more about suiting it is quite possible that you'll understand what compelled you to seek the Armani and maybe find that something else is more to your newly acquired standards. I still like armani over brioni or canali but I also know why I do (I don't wear any of those so the point is moot).

    I admit, I am no expert on modern design or architecture. I just like it in concept. I find that when I have a philosophical inclination toward something, I am far less likely to stray from it.

    Unfortunately, the Ikea furniture would not survive removal from our current apartment, nonetheless the trip to our new one.

    3) There are various antique dealers and even flea markets where you can find something that tickles your aesthetic senses, you don't have to seek older pieces but your idea about at least mixing in some contemporary might be the start of an answer.

    Contemporary is great, so long as it is modern in appoach. The post-modern (as vague a thing as that is) is far less appealing. In other words, spare and minimal is good; a chair that looks like a giant foot is not.

    4) That Cassina table is a nice piece (I like white lacquer too) but the bold profile makes it so low it is mostly an annoyance, you might end up trying to throw it out the window after bending over picking artbooks one time too many.

    Practicality is certainly hampered, but I like the space that is created by going low--particularly in a small apartment. Anyway, if our coffee table is less useful, we'll be more inclined to eat at our dining table (which we never do now).

    5) I assume you're mostly into light shades of furniture but I'd still keep looking at darker and more substantial pieces, you never know. GDL has a good look going on with the sofa and painting; it looks like he lives there, not showroomy in the least.

    Well, the problem is that we want a neutral color for the sofa, but also want to make sure it is easy to work with in the future. A light ivory color should match all wood floors and be easy to accessorize with other pieces that may be brighter or bolder in color. A brown or tan sofa would risk clashing with wood floors and grey leather looks awful to me. Leather is strongly preferred--particularly for the F. Knoll sofa (in fabric, you don't get the buttons).

    6) Flokati are a pain, I'd only have one around the bed as it's nice to lie in it. Looks very 70s playboy though.

    Well, you suggested mixing things up [​IMG].

    7) I don't know if you're asian or asian-american but is there something from your ancestral country that brings a warm feeling to your heart? That might also be an option if you want to spice thing up but to avoid a vintage that you don't connect with...

    Well, we have no furniture of the sort. But I can imagine collecting Chinese antiques and art in the future. I do, however, have a large-scale calligraphy of my name by a famous Chinese artist--it matches one made for my brother. That thing is going up.
     
  14. mafoofan

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    Why does everyone want to decorate their home like Captain Kirk's quarters?

    Don't you want to go boldly where no man has gone before? Anyway, it's not like we're getting an Aarnio bubble chair.
     
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    The one thing I'd caution against is buying too much too fast. Make it a process, as your tastes will surely evolve, just as I'm sure your tastes have evolved since joining the forum.

    I love the Saarinen table. I think it's absolutely beautiful in its simplicity. However, it definitely has strong connotations to the space-age era, though with the marble top, less so. I agree with others that the matching tulip chairs are a little overwhelming, especially in a small space.

    I love Eames, but I'm not crazy about the LCW chair. Sits very low and I'm kind of tall.
     
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    Eh...it looks a little too affected. Like a DWR showroom minus a Noguchi coffee table. Just please don't get that metal plating socal got for his floor.
     
  17. mafoofan

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    Eh...it looks a little too affected. Like a DWR showroom minus a Noguchi coffee table. Just please don't get that metal plating socal got for his floor.

    That didn't come built-in???
     
  18. A Y

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    The one thing I'd caution against is buying too much too fast. Make it a process, as your tastes will surely evolve, just as I'm sure your tastes have evolved since joining the forum.

    +1. I would start with the sofa and a dining set, but leave the Eames LCW and other loungey things out for now.

    Is this the coffee table you're talking about? It's Cassina, by Lissoni:

    I was thinking about the all-glass one that comes in three pieces, but the one you linked to is nice as well. In-stock is a big deal, otherwise it takes forever, like EG-shoe repair forever.

    A lot of modern furniture is pretty low, and I find that's a big part of their aesthetic.

    --Andre
     
  19. Dragon

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    The Knoll sofa is one my favorites from that time too, but I think you should keep in mind that everyone else has all the pieces you are planning on buying too. After you spend all this money, you will see the same furniture in all the magazines, in all your friends houses, in all the offices, etc. No matter where you go, you will not be able to get away from your home furniture [​IMG]

    On the other hand, I don`t think there are many people that have that Knoll sofa in leather with an Eames chair in tweed cloth. Usually it`s the other way around [​IMG]
     
  20. haganah

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    That didn't come built-in???
    No. It's from Thom's Spring '07 line.
     

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