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FRIDAY CHALLENGE Jan 24, 2014: NORTHERN LIGHTS

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Pingson, Jan 22, 2014.

Who did it best?

Poll closed Jan 27, 2014.
  1. John Doe

    9 vote(s)
    8.0%
  2. Anden

    15 vote(s)
    13.3%
  3. DonCologne

    9 vote(s)
    8.0%
  4. SeaJen

    20 vote(s)
    17.7%
  5. jungleroller

    2 vote(s)
    1.8%
  6. Off My Rack

    2 vote(s)
    1.8%
  7. Cleav

    4 vote(s)
    3.5%
  8. alessandromo

    5 vote(s)
    4.4%
  9. clarinetplayer

    12 vote(s)
    10.6%
  10. Claghorn

    13 vote(s)
    11.5%
  11. Pingson

    15 vote(s)
    13.3%
  12. upr_crust

    11 vote(s)
    9.7%
  13. stylesbitchly

    3 vote(s)
    2.7%
  14. in stitches

    31 vote(s)
    27.4%
  15. StanleyVanBuren

    12 vote(s)
    10.6%
  16. GMMcL

    2 vote(s)
    1.8%
  17. oldog/oltrix

    15 vote(s)
    13.3%
  18. Cotton Dockers

    14 vote(s)
    12.4%
  19. Holdfast

    8 vote(s)
    7.1%
  20. Academic2

    3 vote(s)
    2.7%
  21. An Acute Style

    9 vote(s)
    8.0%
  22. kulata

    14 vote(s)
    12.4%
  23. black_umbrella

    5 vote(s)
    4.4%
  24. quasi-lurker

    5 vote(s)
    4.4%
  25. sansimeon

    14 vote(s)
    12.4%
  26. butler

    19 vote(s)
    16.8%
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  1. Academic2

    Academic2 Senior member

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    You have an overcoat that's light on the top and dark on the bottom?

    Damn.

    No wonder this place always makes me feel inadequate.

    Cheers,

    Ac
     
  2. sansimeon

    sansimeon Senior member

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    Well this didn't really work out as planned.. I put together a fit including a pair of charcoal flannels that I rarely use and took some pictures this morning, but after seeing the pics I realized they were simply too tight to use and had to change pants.

    Instead, this is what I'll be wearing tonight. Perhaps a bit too casual for the thread. Gray jacket and navy pants, breaking all sf rules [​IMG]

    (Jacket is short, tight and would benefit from a lower buttoning point, I know. Still kinda like it though)

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  3. An Acute Style

    An Acute Style Senior member

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    I'm always surprised when I hear new SF rules. No navy pants with grey jacket is new to me. I think it is quite silly given the inverse, grey pants and navy jacket, is a standby. I actually like both fits.
     
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  4. Cleav

    Cleav Senior member Moderator

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    Quite right AAS
     
  5. Academic2

    Academic2 Senior member

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    It's official: casual is allowed.

    See post #36 in this thread by Pingson, the Challenge Master.

    Cheers,

    Ac
     
  6. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    Well, I thought the rule was more "no navy odd trousers with odd jackets," period, so further details like a grey jacket wouldn't even enter the equation. I don't have the expertise of a Manton or some others around here, but I've seen enough to tell me that traditionally grey was a much more common odd trouser color than navy, so I'm pretty sure this isn't a new SF rule. I'm sure one can construct a decent fit with navy odd trousers, but in a lot of cases I am not sure it is optimal (with a grey odd jacket, I think I'd prefer cream odd trousers) or that another color might not be as good even if the navy works. YMMV. With clothing, what is worn tends to be a mix of rationales ranging from aesthetics to tradition and most of the tradition, right or wrong, didn't originate in the 21st century on an internet forum.

    I don't tend to care for navy odd trousers with odd jackets for a similar reason that I don't own any charcoal odd trousers. I tend to like the bottom half of my outfit to not be darker than the top half. This challenge has showed some pretty cool fits that go against this general pattern and one can definitely do it from time to time, but I think it would be far more difficult if one had to do this on a near daily basis with odd jackets and trousers. One might say the same for navy odd trousers (imagine having to choose only grey or only blue for your odd trousers). I also tend to see navy as a little bit more formal than grey and thus the color seems off to me as an odd trouser (may not help that I don't really love navy flannel even as a suit). I am tempted to try experimenting with RAF blue odd trousers, which I think could work better than navy (probably a pair in fresco for the summer first).
     
  7. MrDaniels

    MrDaniels Senior member

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    I like the looks too.
     
  8. Ankor

    Ankor Well-Known Member

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    I agree. I think it's actually one of the nicest combinations if you have to keep trousers darker than jacket.
     
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  9. sansimeon

    sansimeon Senior member

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    I didn't mean there's a specific rule for wearing (light) grey jackets with navy pants, rather that both items seem generally disliked by SF groupthink.
     
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  10. Academic2

    Academic2 Senior member

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    One motivation of this particular challenge was, I think, to encourage a healthy reexamination of often unexamined assumptions. Here's the opening of the first post which kicked this off:

    "So I've finally settled on a topic for this weeks FC. One of the first things you hear when you join SF is that a jacket should always be darker than trousers. I have always thought this to be utter BS, and my goal for this week's challenge it to disprove this once and for all" — Mr. Pingson

    It's a challenge which will encourage people to focus on the ensemble effect of what they're wearing rather than the individual elements. For what it's worth, navy trousers, or pretty much any other trousers, wouldn't be a deal breaker for me personally in this context, assuming they conform to the rule that they be darker than whatever one is wearing up top.

    Cheers,

    Ac
     
  11. sugarbutch

    sugarbutch Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    There are two ironclad StyleForum Commandments violated when combining a light gray odd jacket with little or subtle pattern and navy odd trousers. Your disagreement is immaterial. :D
     
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  12. Academic2

    Academic2 Senior member

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    Three, if you include the commandment which forbids the ownership of light grey jackets in the first place …

    Cheers,

    Ac [​IMG]
     
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  13. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    you bastard lol
     
  14. Betelgeuse

    Betelgeuse Senior member

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    A lot of nice entries in thi challenge!
     
  15. An Acute Style

    An Acute Style Senior member

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    Is there a single place where one can find all the Commandments or does one have to climb Mountain Sinai to obtain them.
     
  16. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    if you read the good taste thread you should stumble upon all the major ones at the very least, if not all of them in entirety.
     
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  17. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    ^ That and pretty much all of these issues have been discussed extensively in the past and numerous threads can be found with some strategic use of the search function. In general, there are some serious "thou shalt not" views expressed but a lot of the time it is a much more balanced discussion on the limited versatility or usefulness of certain wardrobe items (the issue not being that they cannot work but they work in fewer contexts than other more versatile items that look just as good).
     
  18. jrd617

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    Would look much better with grey flannel pants. Those worsted pinstripe pants are too "city/formal" for that camelhair country jacket.

    I don't like pinstripe odd pants in general. Matching jacket or bust.

    https://web.archive.org/web/2012021...erent-combinations-for-beginners#post_5203608

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  19. Butler

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    Although it does not quite come out that way in the shot, the Cording trousers are definitely darker than the Cashmere, no vent coat with suede accents, by Steven Hitchcock - Monks by Lobb, checked shirt by Sean O¨Flynn, BB PS
    :bigstar:

    And no, that' not a Windsor, just a bulky Cashmere tie :bigstar:







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  20. Pingson

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    Poll is up! Looks to be a tough contents this week, lots of nice fits. Thanks to all participants! :D
     

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