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FRIDAY CHALLENGE 11/8/2013--TURTLENECKS

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Nov 6, 2013.

Who did turtleneck the best?

  1. Ian Erickson

    18 vote(s)
    13.3%
  2. sugarbutch

    15 vote(s)
    11.1%
  3. Holdfast

    17 vote(s)
    12.6%
  4. 38R

    2 vote(s)
    1.5%
  5. Mo'Fuck the Turtle

    10 vote(s)
    7.4%
  6. gdl203

    69 vote(s)
    51.1%
  7. el Bert

    26 vote(s)
    19.3%
  8. Too Lazy to Run His Own Damned Challenge (Tira)

    16 vote(s)
    11.9%
  9. A.J.V.

    19 vote(s)
    14.1%
  10. NOBD

    35 vote(s)
    25.9%
  11. Crat

    15 vote(s)
    11.1%
  12. Kaplan

    21 vote(s)
    15.6%
  13. Seajen

    9 vote(s)
    6.7%
  14. Caustic Man

    6 vote(s)
    4.4%
  15. StanleyVanBuren

    15 vote(s)
    11.1%
  16. leftofthedial

    16 vote(s)
    11.9%
  17. Mr. Claymore

    1 vote(s)
    0.7%
  18. caseyfud

    15 vote(s)
    11.1%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. The Thin Man

    The Thin Man Senior member

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    I said a very specific circumstance was tragic -- people who try to dress with this forum in mind rather than the people they will interact with in their lives, and who don't succeed in even that effort. I think it's a situation worth pondering, at the least, rather than dismissing.

    But I'll admit my hackles were up because Caustic Man said my earlier point was the most absurd thing ever.
     
  2. The Thin Man

    The Thin Man Senior member

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    I'd rather my original post in this thread be taken as provocative rather than antogonistic. I probably failed in that, and it comes out of the disappointment and frustration from having spent an enormous amount of time here and having seen the number of knowledgeable members diminish while a lot of mocking of serious points occurs.
     
  3. conradwu

    conradwu Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    I disagreed with it rather than dismissing. There are many things tragic in this world - spending money, time, and effort on clothing is not one of the things I'd consider tragic, even if the outcome is beyond terrible.
     
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  4. The Thin Man

    The Thin Man Senior member

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    It's not the bad taste that's tragic and people should be able to spend money however they want. But I detect a lot of sadness in a lot of what l see here, that's what I find tragic. Maybe I'm wrong.

    I apologize for my "caustic" response to your post. I misunderstood you.
     
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  5. conradwu

    conradwu Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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  6. FlyingMonkey

    FlyingMonkey Senior member

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    I'm glad this was all patched up. But it's a shame that the potential for an interesting discussion was lost - oh well, some other time...
     
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  7. sugarbutch

    sugarbutch Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    You shouldn't do this.
     
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  8. size 38R

    size 38R Senior member

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    Don't you dare................[​IMG]

    - next challenge please.
     
  9. Caustic Man

    Caustic Man Senior member

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    Not at all true. I attacked your statement. You then proceeded to attack my person. Then you did the same with conrad. If you want to not be considered a dick, both here and in real life, then learn to differentiate when someone is attacking your thesis, and when someone is attacking you. Then respond accordingly.
     
  10. Holdfast

    Holdfast Senior member

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  11. GMMcL

    GMMcL Senior member

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    Fun challenge. Folks did a nice job.
     
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  12. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    i used to do that (take this place really seriously) i have learned that that is usually not the best way to go. medium serious would be the max imo. dont be a pushover, stick to your beliefs as long as you truly believe in them, but dont get too serious here. 99% of the time its just a recipe for disaster. ymmv tho.

    --

    g - we expect an awesome challenge for this week. the wear at least 2 items from NMWA challenge?
     
  13. Claghorn

    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I've always thought it would be fun to do an affiliate vendor challenge, where we need to wear at least two items from two different affiliate vendors. AV's can participate but can't wear their own stuff. It'd be a nice thank you to them (I realize that we also thank them with our money).

    Pretty sure I can cram 4 AV's into a fit.
     
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  14. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    i could do 6. :bigstar:


    fit might suck hard tho. not sure the 6 would make any sense worn together. but what a tribute it would be!!!
     
  15. Fuuma

    Fuuma Senior member

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    Turtlenecks indeed come in many flavours and can be worn with a dressed up or more casual look, as it was amply demonstrated here. Leaving aside bruised egos, I do not see how saying that sportcoats are widely seen as being characteristic of a dressed up look can be in any way controversial. No one is asking people to stop wearing them on the weekend to go to the pub or whatever, they just have to understand how their look will be seen. This, of course, does not account for variations within social circles, your close friends may basically dress in a more traditional way or at least have learned to see that this is your casual look (to use your own situation as an example). The average person will still see a dressed up guy.

    Of course what we have here, and why the debate got harsher most rapidly, is the eternal struggle for authenticity; no one wants to be accused of wearing a costume, of borrowing an identity.
     
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  16. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    Fun challenge; I may be inspired to purchase a turtleneck at some point as a result. I liked GDL, NOBD and SVB's fits the best but there were a decent number of good attempts. The turtleneck seems like a good crossover garment that works well in a SW&D context as well as in a more casual CM context.
     
  17. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    The bolded portion is key I think and may explain some of the controversy on a CM forum where dressing down an odd jacket with a turtleneck instead of a dress shirt and tie may well be seen as dressing down. I don't find the idea that wearing a tailored jacket will generally result in one being seen as dressed up to be too controversial, but context matters. Despite what a jacket connotes to most people, there are different levels of dressed up and I think most people can differentiate between (1) odd jacket, turtleneck and trousers, (2) odd jacket, dress shirt and no tie and (3) jacket and tie and regard them differently. All three may be examples of a dressed-up look on a relative basis when most people are wearing jeans and a t-shirt, but they don't all belong in the same category or give off the same image.
     
  18. cptjeff

    cptjeff Senior member

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    Couple years ago at this point, I guess. 2011 ish? Well before these contests became a regular thing, it was a bit of a forum showdown. Separate contests with SW&D trying to do MC, and MC trying to do SW&D. SW&D doing MC featured a lot of poorly fitting black suits, IIRC.
     
  19. The Thin Man

    The Thin Man Senior member

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    Thanks for the reply. You always look good, because you always look like you're relaxed and having fun (even without purposely seeking a dégagé vibe). I guess a lot of what I was railing against wasn't even if this thread -- a couple of posts made me think of what I don't like in the MC Casual thread. Yeah, extremely deconstructed jackets or very short jackets can look good with casual clothes and still count as "tailored," but I don't see a lot of consideration of those factors in this subforum. A lot of people did look good with the turtleneck (which seems to be making a comeback in both CM and SW&D this fall in a way that I haven't seen in the five years I've been on the forum), so this was the wrong thread for my jeremiad.
     

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