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Fresco Suit Battle: "Tobacco" Brown vs. "Wheat" Tan

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by jrd617, Feb 11, 2014.

Which color fresco do you prefer for a suit?

  1. Brown

    32 vote(s)
    56.1%
  2. Tan

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    43.9%
  1. jrd617

    jrd617 Senior member

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    I'm considering getting a suit made up in Minnis fresco.

    For the sake of this poll, which color do prefer, the famous @Slewfoot tobacco brown or the wheat tan?

    (I present this as a hypothetical because the Slewfoot brown fabric run is long over)


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  2. cbbuff

    cbbuff Senior member

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    The dark brown is very nice and can be worn year round. I think of the lighter as a spring/summer color. Although in a fresco that isn't as relevant (depending on where you live, I suppose).

    Bottom line is you need both :slayer:
     
  3. jrd617

    jrd617 Senior member

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    I feel like the tan suit would be easier to wear. Khaki is a very accepted color today. Brown is worn much less.

    That particular shade is very bold too. (It almost had a reddish undertone)
     
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  4. FlyingMonkey

    FlyingMonkey Senior member

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    I prefer the brown because it's bolder while still being unshowy - and brown isn't worn enough as a suit colour these days. We need to bring it back. I also think that NYI's suit is at least the equal of, if not better than, Vox's here.
     
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  5. jrd617

    jrd617 Senior member

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    ^ Heh, I guess I just like to be boring
     
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  6. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Neither. Fresco is best suited for more city colors. Reserve tans and browns for linen and cotton.
     
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  7. jrd617

    jrd617 Senior member

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    :fu: linen and cotton. I don't want to have "live" with the wrinkles. Can't do it. Exception is seersucker. The twistiness is more wrinkle resistant.

    Also, cotton stinks. Literally. Wool is much more hygenic.
     
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  8. FlyingMonkey

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    Browns were once pretty much a standard in wool suiting, along with blues and greys (and actually greens were more common too) in the UK and USA. Look at the old Apparel Arts illsutrations for a start. Brown and tan wool suiting is still not uncommon in continantal Europe - I have a very nice dark brown Pal Zileri lightweight wool suit. There were only really certain time periods, largely from the late 50s to 60s that brown became de trop in business suits, and then largely in Eastern metropolitan USA and the UK, and really only in the financial services industry. It's never been frowned upon in academia, for example. And even then you get brown suiting still throughout the 70s. It's arrant nonsense to suggest that these whole ranges of colours should be reserved for linen or cotton, much as like brown linen and cord too.
     
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  9. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Thank you for that useless and off-point history lesson.

    The issue is not whether brown is appropriate for suiting. It's that amongst summer-appropriate cloth, fresco is really second only to tropical wool in formality and a warm weather proxy for regular worsted suitings, so browns and tans are better left to linens and cottons. Afterall, regardless of history and specific contexts, brown and tan today are firmly and broadly known as more casual colors. To argue otherwise is akin to arguing that double-breasted suits are more casual than single-breasted for similarly accurate but ultimately irrelevant historical reasons.

    In short, brown is fine for suitings, but brown suitings are more casual suitings. Hence, more casual types of cloth are more appropriate for brown suitings.
     
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  10. FlyingMonkey

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    So fresco cloth is made in brown and tan colours for what reason? I would say that it is because there is still a market for them especially, as I said, in Europe, as well as amongst our fellow non-European iGents, who are in general anachronistic and unusual in the context of the wider population. BTW, if you search the archives of this forum, both Vox and Manton can be found in possession of brown or tan fresco and on record approving of it (although admittedly in Manton's case, not his first choice). I'm glad you think that my style history was accurate, though... I'd hate to have to stop teaching on the subject.
     
  11. GBR

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    The tan as a summer cloth.
     
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    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I've been saying linen this whole time. If you're going to get tan, might as well go all the way. If the wrinkles really kill you, check out linen-wool blends. Kerry Knoll has a good book with some beautiful blends.
     
  13. Blackhood

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    Funnily enough I have a tan suit, and not a brown, but I'd much prefer a brown one.

    Tan is of limited use in a formal environment; I certainly couldn't stroll into the office in tan because it has too much of a vacation vibe. The brown would get a few odd looks, but ultimately its more conservative [read darker] look means I'd put more mileage on it. As it stands my tan is very much for summer garden parties and formal dining when on holiday.
     
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    Whenever I've had a tan, beige or tan suit in the past, I've always found myself wishing I had a darker brown version instead - or as well - whatever the fabric (pace Foo).
     
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  15. DocHolliday

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    I can't imagine where I'd wear the brown. It's not a business suit but it's too, well, brown for a stylish casual suit. I would have a strong negative reaction to that being worn in a business environment, esp. if client-facing.

    Brown is for farmer.
     
  16. Blackhood

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    Thats probably a geographic thing. I'm in the tailoring business, in a rural area.

    In fact, I was in the pub last night and counted at least six plusfours. Even in the heart of Cambridge you'll see suits in equal numbers to academic gowns and mortar boards.
     
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    DocHolliday Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I like brown, just not that brown in that cloth as a citified suit.
     
  18. chobochobo

    chobochobo Senior member Moderator

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    I guess that I'm lucky that I can wear brown suits to work (dark brown herringbone, medium brown herringbone tweed and an in your face RLPL brown POW tweed with orange and purple hints) :) But then I don't see clients.

    Oh and I voted brown. I think I'm signed up for someones brown fresco?
     
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  19. Pingson

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    That is why it is impossible to know what would be "best" without knowing in what situations a certain suit would be worn. I am wearing a brown three-piece tweed suit today, but then again I am in academia where this type of suit has a long tradition. So wearing brown suits is not only perfectly OK, but actually not all that rare among my colleagues as well.

    If you are coming from a business background brown suits may very well be frowned upon, but to universally reject them based on that seems rather narrow-minded....
     
  20. kulata

    kulata Senior member

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    He approves of the brown suit but I prefer tan. It all depends on the use
     

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