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Fray dress shirts?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by davei, Nov 6, 2002.

  1. davei

    davei Senior member

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    Does anyone know anything about Fray dress shirts?  I noticed that on sale, they were more expensive than regular priced Zegna or Charvet shirts (meaning $300+ for an "off the rack" shirt.)
     
  2. Thracozaag

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    Excellent shirts with the absolute thickest buttons I've ever seen. Almost obscenely so, in my opinion, but very very nice shirts overall with lots of handiwork. The cost is, of course, prohibitive.
     
  3. Steve B.

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    Awesome shirts... IMNHSO only ones to rival Kiton and custom in softness and thread count. Make a nice casual flannel shirt, too.

    Need any help on where to find them close to you?
     
  4. davei

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    I definitely would. Are they available in Canada (Toronto specifically)?
     
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    BBB: That E-Bay shirt probably came from a Last Call. Seller could have paid significantly less than current bid. BTW, first day of Last Call at a regular Neiman's is an excellent place to get them, for right about what the bid is. That way you avoid the red "X" if you care about that sort of thing. It is a NICE looking shirt, though, and in my size. HMMM [​IMG] Dave: I don't know about availability in Canada. I don't think they have a web site, either. Anyone else found a URL for them yet? Here in the States some Neiman's and some specialty stores carry them. Barney's stocks their casual shirts. I'd try Harry Rosen. Aren't they affiliated with N-M in some way? Or you could call one of the stores here in the U.S. if you really want one. That I could help with.
     
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    I remember several Lorenzini's at a Last Call in Tempe that were 20 bucks each. Quite a deal.
     
  8. Steve B.

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    Yep- the thing to remember with outlet stores is to grab it when you see it. In theory merchandise in those stores is supposed to completely turn over every three weeks.
     
  9. pstoller

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    Ah, but theory and practice are not always the same thing.

    Last Call (as I'm sure you know, but others may not) has a rotating color-stamp discount system, wherein items drop from 30% to 75% off the already-discounted ticket price over the course of three markdown cycles that aren't necessarily a week in length. What you really have to ask yourself is, "What is this item worth to me?" (Actually, you should always ask yourself that before buying anything.) If the price is too high, wait to see if it survives a markdown cycle to the point where you'd kick yourself for not buying it.

    Having done this, I have been able to divide items between the "I'm glad I didn't wait," "I didn't want to pay that much, anyway," and "I'm sure glad I waited" categories. (This works better if you befriend a sales manager who can tip you off to the start dates of the markdown cycles.)
     
  10. Steve B.

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    PS:

    Which Last Call do you most frequent? I thought there weren't any in LA...

    Know there's one in Phoenix and Vegas....
     
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    is there a site that lists them? I'd love to know if there are any in Virginia. I know we have Off 5th, Nordstrom Rack, but I'm not aware of a Last Call- the one I'd be most interested in going to.
     
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    You're right, there isn't one in LA, although NM really should try to get a Last Call into one of the local malls. Vegas and Phoenix (Tempe, really) are indeed the closest. However, I've spent more time at the one in Woodbury Commons, back when my wife lived in NYC and I visited frequently. I imagine Vegas will get a lot more visits from us than Tempe; better Last Call and a good Off Fifth, too.

    It might amuse you to know that when she and I drove across country to move her out here, we planned our route around Last Call outlets. We hit them all except for the one in Florida (too far out of the way) and Vegas (because we'd been there already and figured we'd be back soon enough on a separate trip.) Not your typical road trip...
     
  13. Steve B.

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    Now there's a couple after my own heart.

    All:

    Last Calls are posted on Neiman's web site, but not separated out like the Racks are at Nordstrom and the Off 5ths are (albeit extra clicks) at Sak's. My web site will be ready for the general public soon, and you can get them there separately.

    My favorites are the ones in Austin, Auburn Hills, and Tempe. However, it depends on when one stops in...
     
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    When shirts have very thick buttons in mother of pearl, does that mean they are of an expensive quality?
     
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    I know that thick mother of pearl buttons means superior, thus expensive quality, but I don't know how to tell the difference. I've looked closely at my shirts and can't distinguish a difference between plastic and mother of pearl. The best quality shirts I own are Ike Behar, Facconable, Barney's, and Hickey-Freeman. I'm assuming at least the Ike Behar has mother of pearl, considering I don't think they'd make plastic buttons that thick.
     
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    When buttons are made of mother of pearl, they sometimes have troca(sp) on the botom. This means that there is red spots, and such on the bottom surface.
     
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    That's the right spelling. Troca is the result of cutting too deep into the shell (you get past the pure white into the outer layer). Thicker shell > deeper cut > more buttons > less expensive shirt.

    Doesn't Oxxford use water buffalo horn for their shirt buttons? Are they as thick as Fray's MoP?
     
  18. BjornH

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    Well - this seems not to be quite correct. I did a little research and found out that troca and mother-of-pearl is not the same thing. Both have a nice shine to them but mother-of-pearl is much more pleasing to look at and has much deeper texture. It is made from oysters but troca is made from other shells and generally has a white, spotted layer at the bottom. The only shirt in my closet sporting m.o.p. buttons is my Turnbull and Asser shirt - all others have troca, or in some cases, plastic buttons. I was fondling a Armani Collezione shirt today and, at a price of USD 160, had neither m.o.p. buttons nor cross stitching. I guess I was supposed to look at the Armani label, not trying to find quality.... p.s. Take a look  at http://www.jantzentailor.com/ - it is a fun read for shirt fans if you can stand a little broken english (besides mine.). Cheers, Bjorn
     
  19. Mike C.

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  20. davei

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    p.s. Take a look  at http://www.jantzentailor.com/ - it is a fun read for shirt fans if you can stand a little broken english (besides mine.).
    I just checked that website out and find it hard to believe their shirts are $38. Has anyone ever ordered from there? If they really are $38, then I'm about to order like 5 of them.
    $1HK = 13 cents US, so that's why they're ~$40 [​IMG] I'm thinking of ordering a bunch myself, the number of options is quite dizzying... only problem: insecure ordering. Â No way I'm sending my American Express # through a simple form mail.
     

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