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Frank Shattuck Tailor Co. (found his web site!)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by jmgoot, Feb 1, 2008.

  1. jmgoot

    jmgoot New Member

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    I was looking around for information on bespoke suit maker Frank Shattuck. He moved his shop from NYC to Upstate NY, near Syracuse.

    And the best news is he can be found... granted you need to send a letter (or cheat and write an email).

    www.fshattuck.com


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    Will Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    He's excellent. If you want to spend $6500.
     
  4. montgomery

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    He's excellent. If you want to spend $6500.


    Why's he so expensive?
     
  5. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    He would say that it's because he works alone, and makes everything -- every stitch, except the trousers -- himself. It takes him much longer than most tailors to make a suit. And there is more handwork than 99% of other tailors' suits.

    And there is something to this. No one else in NY (or London) works this way. But I suspect there is more to the story as well.
     
  6. RJman

    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    But I suspect there is more to the story as well.
    I suspect as well, and that it's similar to the answer to the old question (put politely) why do dogs groom certain parts of their own bodies with their tongue?
     
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    He would say that it's because he works alone, and makes everything -- every stitch, except the trousers -- himself. And there is something to this. No one else in NY (or London) works this way. But I suspect there is more to the story as well.
    He probably has some mountain people doing the hand picking...just like playing the banjo.

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  8. OxxfordSJLINY

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    He would say that it's because he works alone, and makes everything -- every stitch, except the trousers -- himself. It takes him much longer than most tailors to make a suit. And there is more handwork than 99% of other tailors' suits.

    And there is something to this. No one else in NY (or London) works this way. But I suspect there is more to the story as well.


    Actually, I can think of quite a few tailors that match (or exceed) Frank Shattuck (originally in New York, NY, now in Cazenovia, NY) in handwork.

    William Fioravanti in New York, NY, who starts at somewhere between $7.5K and $10.5K (which is $1K to $4K more to start than Frank Shattuck). William Fioravanti very well should match (or exceed) Frank Shattuck in handwork being that his starting price is that much higher than Frank Shattuck's.

    H. Huntsman of Savile Row in London, England (who starts at about £3K/$5.4K).

    William Westmancott of Savile Row in London, England, who starts at the following prices: £1,995/$3,591 for semi bespoke and £2,495/$4,491 for full bespoke. Considering that he is the youngest tailor and one of the newest (or one of the youngest and one of the newest) tailors of Savile Row, the prices that William Westmancott charges are high. Therefore, William Westmancott very well should also match (or exceed) Frank Shattuck in handwork.

    Rubinacci (who has four branches: Naples, Italy, Rome, Italy, Milan, Italy and London, England). Rubinacci London starts at somewhere between £2.7K/$4,860 and £3K/$5.4K. The other three branches of Rubinacci all start at €4K/$5.6K.

    Richard Anderson, Limited of Savile Row in London, England (who starts at £2,865/$5,157) is yet another tailor that matches (or exceeds) Frank Shattuck in handwork.

    We can't forget Gianni Campagna in Milan, Italy, who starts at €7K/$10.4K to €10K/$14K. Gianni Campagna most of all very well should match (or exceed) Frank Shattuck for handwork, given his prices (which are the highest of all of these tailors).
     
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    your whole post couldve been written in a handful of bullet points without having to repeat every statement
     
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    William Fioravanti very well should match (or exceed) Frank Shattuck in handwork being that his starting price is that much higher than Frank Shattuck’s starting price.

    I think there are some gaps in this reasoning...
     
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    I think it important to keep in mind that high price is not necessarily directly related to the amount of handwork in a suit. Thus, just because a suit from one maker is more expensive than Shattuck does not mean that it has more handwork. Nor does more handwork necessarily mean that one suit is better than a suit with less handwork, although I'm sure Shattuck suits are very, very nice. And, as we Internet Gentlemen ([​IMG]) so often forget, repeating what we've read on teh foraz is no substitute for personal experience with a tailor, and a healthy dose of critical thinking.
     
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    You're a funny dude, Ox.
     
  14. gsugsu

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    I will not eat green eggs and ham...

    Actually, I can think of quite a few tailors that match (or exceed) Frank Shattuck in handwork.

    William Fioravanti in New York City, who charges somewhere between $7.5K and $10.5K to start (which is $1K to $4K more to start than Frank Shattuck's starting price). Unfortunately, I forget what William Fioravanti's exact starting price is. However, I do know for a fact that William Fioravanti's starting price does, in fact, range from $7.5K to $10.5K.

    Whatever his starting price is (be it $7.5K, $10.5K or anywhere between $7.5K and $10.5K), William Fioravanti very well should match (or exceed) Frank Shattuck in handwork being that his starting price is that much higher than Frank Shattuck's starting price.

    H. Huntsman of Savile Row in London (who charges about £3K-which is now $5.4K at the current exchange rate-to start).

    William Westmancott of Savile Row in London (who charges £1,995-which is now $3,591 at the current exchange rate-to start for semi bespoke and £2,495-which is now $4,491 at the current exchange rate-to start for full bespoke).

    Considering that he is the youngest tailor and one of the newest (or one of the youngest and one of the newest) tailors of Savile Row, for the prices he charges (which are quite high given the fact that he is the youngest tailor and one of the newest or one of the youngest and one of the newest tailors of Savile Row), William Westmancott very well should also match (or exceed) Frank Shattuck in handwork.

    Rubinacci (who has four branches: Naples, Italy-the oldest and original branch, Rome, Italy-the second oldest branch, Milan, Italy-the second newest branch and London, England-the newest branch).

    Rubinacci London is a Savile Row tailor (and just as much a Savile Row tailor as all of the other Savile Row tailors). The other three branches of Rubinacci are in Italy are not even remotely affiliated with Savile Row (other than Rubinacci London of Savile Row, which is just as much Rubinacci as all of the other three branches of Rubinacci that are all in Italy).

    Rubinacci London starts somewhere between £2.7K and £3K (which is $4,860 to $5.4K at the current exchange rate).

    The other three branches of Rubinacci that are all in Italy all start at €4K (which is $5.6K at the current exchange rate).

    Richard Anderson, Limited of Savile Row in London, England, who charges £2,865 (which is $5,157 at the current exchange rate to start).

    Gianni Campagna in Milan, who charges €7K to €10K (which is $10.4K to $14K to start at the current exchange rate to start).

    Whatever his starting price is (be it €7K/$10.4K, €10K/$14K or anywhere between €7K/$10.4K and €10K/$14K), Gianni Campagna most of all very well should match (or exceed) Frank Shattuck for handwork.
     
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    ^

    your whole post couldve been written in a handful of bullet points without having to repeat every statement


    That is why I edited my message.
     
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    I will not eat green eggs and ham...

    Message edited. My reply message from last night (Thursday, September 18th, 2008 at 9:24PM Eastern Time) is now half the size of what it was before.
     
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    You're a funny dude, Ox.

    Message edited for that reason, too.
     
  18. OxxfordSJLINY

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    He would say that it's because he works alone, and makes everything -- every stitch, except the trousers -- himself. It takes him much longer than most tailors to make a suit. And there is more handwork than 99% of other tailors' suits.

    And there is something to this. No one else in NY (or London) works this way. But I suspect there is more to the story as well.


    That is correct, Manton. But I am sure that Frank Shattuck has an in house trouser maker that makes the trousers, since Frank Shattuck does not make the trousers himself. Even though Frank Shattuck is very low volume overall, his volume is obviously too high that he cannot make everything himself. Apparently, he chooses not to make trousers himself. That is why I am sure he has an in house trouser maker working for him to do that. But Frank Shattuck’s overall volume is low enough by a large enough amount that Frank Shattuck can make everything else all by himself.

    Some low volume tailors have volume that is so low that they can make everything all by themselves. Also, some low volume tailors do have some of their clothing such as the following made out of house: trousers (by trouser makers who specialize in exclusively making trousers) and vests (by vest makers who specialize in exclusively making vests). With some low volume tailors, having such clothing made off premises is by the choice of the tailor (where it is mandatory). With some low volume tailors, having such clothing made off premises is by the choice of the customer (where it is optional but less expensive than having it made in house). Frank Shattuck, who, again, is very low volume overall, is too high volume to do this. Apparently, Jon Green (who has massively high prices) is, by far, low volume enough that he can have all of the clothing that he sells (including jackets, tailcoats, topcoats and overcoats) made off premises by anybody he wants.

    All high volume tailors, however, have all of their clothing made exclusively in house. They have to because it is the only way for their quality and service to be exceptional. If any high volume tailors had any of their clothing made out of house it would hurt their quality and service big time. Consequently, all high volume tailors have a multitude of the following in house tailors working for them: jacket and coat makers, trouser makers and vest makers. FWIW, William Fioravanti, who is a New York tailor, is by far the highest volume tailor (and the only high volume tailor, or, the only high volume premium tailor) in North America. Overall, William Fioravanti’s volume is huge.

    There is a reason as to why the best high volume tailors have to charge the massively high prices that they charge. They have the huge volume that Frank Shattuck does not even come close to having. They also have exceptional quality and service that, fortunately, Frank Shattuck also has. And, with a few of them (such as William Fioravanti and the three Savile Row tailors, all of whom I mentioned in my last reply message to this topic that I posted at 9:24PM Eastern Time on Thursday, September 18th, 2008), their clothing really does match Frank Shattuck's clothing (who’s clothing is more hand sewn than 99% of all other tailors' clothing) for hand sewing. If any of the best high volume tailors lowered their prices despite their huge volume, their quality and service would suffer tremendously (just like it did with Mercedes Benz). We all know far too well, unfortunately, that nobody wants to make the same mistakes with anything that they make and sell (be it clothes, vehicles, electronics, etcetera) that Mercedes Benz made with the vehicles that they make and sell. BTW, it takes William Fioravanti just as long as it takes Frank Shattuck to make clothing (which I believe is 8 to 16 weeks).

    With all of the above, I only speak of tailored clothing. Tailored clothing, of course, is suits, sportsjackets, odd trousers, odd vests, tuxedos, tailcoats, topcoats and overcoats.
     
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    you did it again, ox... are you aware of what you write?
     
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