Four folds v. Six Any noticeable difference?

[phxlawstudent]

In theory the 4 fold would "drape" better than a three fold, especially for certain silks, plus its not too much more expensive at SamHober.com. But the 6 fold requires a lot more silk and time. But it is still lined. Is there really an advantage to the extra two folds?

 

[blahman]

Do slimmer, say 3", 6+ fold ties exist? Looking at all the ties around on B&S they seem to always be at least 3.5".

 

[SpooPoker]

Originally Posted by blahman

Do slimmer, say 3", 6+ fold ties exist? Looking at all the ties around on B&S they seem to always be at least 3.5".

I could be wrong, but I think anything less that 3.5 or 3.25, the folds would fold over themselves.

 

[SpooPoker]

Besides the fact you get to say so on the interwebs?

 

[phxlawstudent]

Originally Posted by blahman

Do slimmer, say 3", 6+ fold ties exist? Looking at all the ties around on B&S they seem to always be at least 3.5".

Thats pretty slim, but you could always ask David (samhober) to make you one and see what he says.

 

[phxlawstudent]

Originally Posted by SpooPoker

Besides the fact you get to say so on the interwebs?

And the fact you yourself know it to be true. Oh, and whenever you flip it over, you can admire the craftsmanship. So, yes.

I'm fairly certain I know the answer, but I figured I'd ask since I know so little about neckwear and personally despise the fact that my future career more or less demands I wear a tie a lot...

 

[Manton]

Originally Posted by phxlawstudent

In theory the 4 fold would "drape" better than a three fold, especially for certain silks, plus its not too much more expensive at SamHober.com. But the 6 fold requires a lot more silk and time. But it is still lined. Is there really an advantage to the extra two folds?

Slightly bigger knot. They do hang better, or differently. The weight tends to pull them down straigher. It's like the opposite of the wispy Rubinacci tie.

 

[Sam Hober]

Originally Posted by phxlawstudent

In theory the 4 fold would "drape" better than a three fold, especially for certain silks, plus its not too much more expensive at SamHober.com. But the 6 fold requires a lot more silk and time. But it is still lined. Is there really an advantage to the extra two folds?
pnxlawstudent, Actually a 4-fold will not have much of an advantage over a 3-fold in terms of drape and we do not suggest 4-folds for additional drape. With grenadine silks we do suggest 4-fold constructions to increase the durability of the tie. The back of the tie is more durable with a grenadine when you have two folded sides to sew together as in 4-fold instead of a 3-fold. There is a difference in the drape of a 6-fold compared to a 3 or 4-fold due to the weight of the extra fabric. Also the extra folding which is interesting - think those who enjoy mechanical or complex automatics. You can increase weight by adding interlining but the drape is not the same - it will tend to be stiffer. I would suggest a 3-fold unless you personally like the luxury of a 6-fold. Manton, Yes, you are correct about the weight and drape. However, all things being equal the knot size/shape should in theory stay roughly the same regardless of the number of folds with a custom made tie as the maker adjusts the pattern as needed to reflect what the client prefers. A knot size/shape in a custom made/bespoke tie should be adjusted by changing the tie's pattern in the knot area not by adding/subtracting interlining - which is a short cut used by made-to-measure tie makers. Blahman, A good question. It is normal for us to make a 3 inch 6-fold custom made tie. Below 3 inches can be difficult and 3.25 inches can also be a challenge with some fabrics. I will start a project when time allows that will have lots of photos and illustrations on our website to answer questions such as yours.

 

[phxlawstudent]

Thanks for answering. I really love your straightforward and honest answers regarding ties.

Ok, when you say drape, what exactly are we talking about here? How it moves around? How does one determine if he prefers the 6 fold tie? I've only got one and don't think I've worn it yet. I do love the mechanical watch, but honestly, I could do without the surcharge for extra folds in my tie.

I guess my quick question is whether I would really notice the difference and if it would be perceptible to other people?

 

[Sam Hober]

Originally Posted by phxlawstudent

Thanks for answering. I really love your straightforward and honest answers regarding ties. Ok, when you say drape, what exactly are we talking about here? How it moves around? How does one determine if he prefers the 6 fold tie? I've only got one and don't think I've worn it yet. I do love the mechanical watch, but honestly, I could do without the surcharge for extra folds in my tie. I guess my quick question is whether I would really notice the difference and if it would be perceptible to other people?
phxlaxstudent, I enjoy talking about ties - ask as many questions as you like. As an example a tie that drapes well would flow (drape) smoothly as opposed to a tie that is stiff and does not flow (drape). From your post above it sounds like a 6-fold tie is not important to you so perhaps you have answered your own question? The only way to see if you like a 6-fold tie is to wear one both inside and outside when walking around. The only problem with 6-folds - happens when you do like them as they become an expensive luxury.

 

[mktitsworth]

Originally Posted by Sam Hober

phxlaxstudent, I enjoy talking about ties - ask as many questions as you like.
Ok. Here are a couple of questions: What about six or seven fold construction with grenandines? I ask mostly because I've looked through your site and I don't see grenandines listed in your table of custom ties you make with different constructions. Also, what is an eight fold tie? Other than the obvious: A tie which is constructed with eight folds. Thanks.

 

[phxlawstudent]

Awesome! I have so many questions and so much to learn.

I think I'm starting to understand. I'll have to bust that 6 fold out of the closet to see for myself. But maybe I shouldn't and then I wouldn't have to worry about the luxury aspect.

Unrelated question, but since I've got your attention, whats the best way to keep and other stuff off ties? Tie clip? Remove them for lunch? Throw them over the shoulder (which doesn't work too well for me...)

 

[Sam Hober]

Originally Posted by mktitsworth

Ok. Here are a couple of questions: What about six or seven fold construction with grenadines? I ask mostly because I've looked through your site and I don't see grenadines listed in your table of custom ties you make with different constructions. Also, what is an eight fold tie? Other than the obvious: A tie which is constructed with eight folds. Thanks.
Mktitsworth, My apologies for any confusion on our website - it is very much a work in progress. It can be confusing at times so I keep making small changes to make it more user friendly. Everything that we make is not listed. Grenadines are listed on the Tie Price page as available in 3, 4 and 6-fold constructions. There are some construction styles that we typically won't do, but that after a discussion we might do. Unlined seven-fold grenadines are an example - I do not suggest them. Yet, if an experienced client requests something and understands that there are risks that he might not be happy we may accept the order. We do make untipped grenadines with rolled edges for a few clients but it is something that we do not suggest. I assume that you are asking why an 8-fold tie as you observe correctly that it simply is a tie with 8 folds. 8-folds can be made just for the complexity but occasionally have a practical reason when the silk being used is very light weight. phxlawstudent, 'I think I'm starting to understand. I'll have to bust that 6 fold out of the closet to see for myself. But maybe I shouldn't and then I wouldn't have to worry about the luxury aspect. " Don't worry - go for it... How to keep ties clean is not an easy answer as sometimes spills happen at lunch etc. I have small kids and I worry about picking them up and having their shoes get my ties dirty. So I am very carefully.

 

[UrbanComposition]

This is a helluva threak. Kudos to David for staying ON-IT

 

[Sam Hober]

Originally Posted by UrbanComposition

This is a helluva threak. Kudos to David for staying ON-IT

UrbanComposition, Actually questions can be a good learning experience for me - as I need to think things through. Also we get some very good ideas on different constructions to try as well as new fabrics to weave.