Well whatever. For Christ sake this is an online forum not a gentlemen's club. I shouldn't need have a disclaimer that what I write is my opinion on every post. I think Jantzen is shit, I wouldn't spend money on it, I would think people that do are silly for doing so but I'm sure others would feel the same way about spending on what I do for a demi-measure shirt. Oh well...doesn't affect my spending habits. Bolded for truth again?